pow wow mik

I'd have selled it, but I dropped it and snapped it in half :-(

Ha ha yes, I possibly got a bit carried away there. But those 8 or 9 bidders are the ones bidding on that copy, that passes through ebay that week. The difference now is that there's always 8 or 9 bidders, so the pool must be pretty big. bidding on r&b on ebay early 2000s, when you could see the bidders' names, there were rarely more than 3, and I nearly always knew them as long time collectors. one of my first ebay purchases was tito puente 'hit the bongo' on 45, which at that time was unknown on 45, I won it at $90 and beat my mate up the road, and my other mate in southend! my point really is that it's trendy now, plus seen as a fairly secure investment. Result - hoards of bandwagon jumpers. I suppose it would be all good if this explosion was parallelled in an increase in going out and dancing, but I fear that the new wave aren't always the type.

I think that this is a reality that people who have been collecting years are struggling to come to terms with - the fact that these various strands of vintage black music have finally trancended the realm of the hardcore enthusiast and achieved worldwide recognition amongst certain demographics; become a mainstream lifestyle accessory. who these people are is something of a mystery to me, but I'd guess at 30 something culture vultures on one hand and bored middle aged men with surplus wealth to blow - replacing wurlitzers and stupid sports cars with old vinyl. Old vinyl, whether actually having it, or pretending to have it via boots, seems to be the lifestyle choice of our time, and exists way above and beyond the days when you knew everyone who was into it, days which even i remember. not only do prices for cult and classic records reflect this extra demand, but the whole concept of value has changed. Records that were cheap for years can shoot up almost overnight, as a record's profile suddenly reaches this new audience. i remember being gutted in the 90s when i found out that the wayne carter i'd paid £100 for was part of the entire stock turning up. I felt properly ripped off, cos the way i figured it, i knew everyone in the world who would consider buying the record at any price, and they amounted to about 50 people; a few hundred turning up made the thing more or less worthless. today, by contrast, a record existing in the 1000s, like the irma & scotts, is actually rare in the context of the 1000s of people worldwide who are now djs or collectors. A common record, something like nina simone ' dont come back jack' sells week in, week out around $90....total sales at that price would have put it in the charts it's sold so many. So for a record so good, and for such an archetypal piece of iconic cultural history, that makes you look cool in front of girls for having it...£30 actually seems ridiculously cheap...no wonder prices so easily escalate. Aftef all, the huge surplus of wealth held by certain parts of society has got to go on something...better this than luis vitton bags...or so i always thought! fact is, the game's changed. It's not underground any more...awareness through youtube and the internet, the sheer quality of it, the lack of cool modern culture have all contributed to an explosion in this thing that for years was an esoteric obsession. The people paying these crazy prices haven't slowly evolved into obsessive collectors over years, patiently building collections, learning knowledge...it isn't coming from a personal obsession like old school collecting - it's an accessory, a lifestyle choice for the comfortable and it's about the indemand stuff, the cool stuff to have...image, probably djing and positional goods. goes to prove - be careful what you wish for!l

Yes, one of those records that the advent of ebay and the net early 2000s showed up to be quite common in the US, and there were always a lot in the UK with import stamp holes. There were copies everywhere for a while as they got hoovered up. Dried up now though, a solid £100 record, and wont be cheap again. Real belter too

playing a boot but carrying a knackered original to justify it is in all seriousness one of the most demented things I've ever heard of. you just couldn't make that shit up...how all the crap we fill the world with just serves to make simple things complicated, great things ridiculous...

Well they might have done without this thread! if it's £60, I'll have one. No? Thought not ]

£80-£100 tops. Not rare and probably everyone who wants one has got one now, seems to be on ebay constantly. Around ten years since I first played this

now any chance of hearing the thing?!

Never seen a funk record go for a lot on his auctions, I guess the bidders' financial advisors aren't sure about funk yet, as a solid investment :-) Someone's fell for the hype on the rubayats though; not a good or rare record]

well each to their own but I am amazed. First that people dont like it, second that they're so keen to advertise the fact. it's like not liking puppies or something, the song's beautiful!

I know we all branch off with different tastes, but i find it mind boggling that people on a soul forum could call this record crap. I thought it would be one of the undisputables. Forget northern soul and all the sub-genres, forget soul even.... just as a piece of music, a piece of pop music even, it's just a masterpiece isn't it?

That's a pow wow playlist for sure, you ever in the uk, come and play for us! (We cant afford to fly you over, sorry!) ;-)

I see your point, but generally speaking, if any of the significant youth movements had been 'all about the music', they'd have little more cultural significance and romantic image than the opera or stamp collecting scenes. However great music is, no one gives a fuck about it if there isn't a major culture of escapism, socialising and non-comformity running along side - that attracts people, more than the music. more people will have joined any scene, be it northern soul, mod, house or rockabilly for the identity, belonging and sheer fun than for the music, but it's the combination of these factors with great music that makes certain movements legendary. I think it's reasonable that a dramatisation reflects these themes ; fancy watching a film about people who just 'really like music'? What would the 'arc' be, whether to play new releases or stick to 60s sounds? Not exactly schindlers list is it? Christ, i accept that i'd be boring if i was only about the music, and i love it as much as anyone. The music's interesting, people who like it aren't necesarily.

No. the point you're making is absurd. history is generally recorded by people who weren't involved in the subject of their study, by investigation and research. Unless you really believe that Copolla didnt have the right to dramatise mafia life because he was never a gangster? If only those involved could record their own history, there'd be very little documented record of any folk / working class culture.

Finally saw it at sheffield showroom and really enjoyed it. story-wise, just a solid growing-up / rights of passage arc that didn't need anything adding, worked even just as a snapshot of a period in time and culture. most importantly, it captured perfectly the feeling of dancing to meaningful and soulful music whilst being off your head on stimulants - probably the best experience a human can expect to have - and if it only made that point it would have been enough. the biggest surprise for me was the casting - I thought that every actor looked authentic in their part, the two leads brilliant and managed to do the drug thing realistically, whuch must be hard to do. I thought the sets and detail were world class, nothing looked like a film set. Great lighting, great filming, congratulations to all involved. dialogue could have been snappier, but I suppose in real life most dialogue isnt that snappy and it did well to steer clear of guy ritchie style comic book life. It would have been nice to have explored the characters more, which is a complement cos they were interesting. I understand there must be time constraints, but the odd random conversation about something other than soul or that girl could have added a bit of depth . all in all though, a great piece of work.

He used to list it at £15 for years, and it was always on the lists.

there's another version on the Moon People lp on Speed, although it's just an instrumental of the latin blues band track. Had all 4 versions til recently, been playing the lbb version at the pow wow

maybe they don't, but i'm assuming that they do go to other places - cinema, theatre, football matches, petrol stations and supermarkets etc. - all of which put have put prices way up since the 90s. Like anything else, value for money is related to the quality of the product; £10 can be an large amount, for a unimgainative night with little usp, or a complete bargain for a great night with great djs. You can't say that any price is expensive or cheap without stating what it is that you're paying for. As for free clubs: i've been going to clubs weekly for 25 years, from raves to r&b pub dos and one thing is constant - if it costs nothing to get in, that's all it's worth. The reasons for this are too complex to go into, but basically: anything worth doing is worth doing to a professional standard and professionals want and deserve autonomy and at least the potential to earn / re-invest. People running lots of dos may well be 'genuine' but that doesn't make them good at running dos, just as lots of djs are 'genuine' music lovers without being good djs. As with anything in life, I'd rather pay a bit more and it be good, or mean something, then a bit less for pale imitations and half-measures. Djing and running clubs are almost the only fields of human enterprise where the general view is that no skills or expertise are required. Capitalist markets always follow these curves - competition is good to an optimum point then creates a saggy belly of superfluous cheap crap.

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I dont miss too much about the pre internet days. things were heavily weighted in favour of dealers back then, and it was very hard to determine the true rarity of a record. Hard to hear new stuff too. You coukd go hear other djs, but it was hard for them to hear new stuff. i'd say that most of the juicy records and new dicoveries back then were passed between a small circle of big buyers and dealers...although that wasnt necesarily a bad thing. the biggest pre internet problem was too many common records being sold for daft prices, the legacy of which is still evident in the price guides, which still list lots and lots of common records in the 30-50 range. For all the 00s, ebay just killed those sorts of records. It meant that anyone could hunt records direct from source - america - cutting out the middleman and his mark-up, so it spread the power of selecting records amongst a wider range of people, creatibg more variety. on the other hand, it gave everyone the access to the tools to be a dj, however half-hearted or unimaginative they might be. i imagine that in the pre-internet days, the pure graft of trying to get a decent record, or the necesity for good, established contacts, sorted the serious out from the chancers to sone extent. all in all, i dont miss the old days, much more transparancy once ebay showed up. Without it, i for one woukdn't have been able to find new material at such a rate and in such privacy. I

Can't be that top a dj, or they'd have got this in the 90s before it got hammered

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GREAT-DOO-WOP-1ST-PRESS-45-BY-BETH-BYNUM-L-K-LISTEN-/121455340319?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:GB:1653 Yeah, well...meanwhile, back in the real world. What's that, £90? ]

Why does no one ever say who makes them? if there's nothing wrong with boots, and people aren't ashamed of making them, why do we conspire with them to keep it mysterious? I really object to all the r&b boots that have flooded the market over the last few years, but at least Jesse came on here and defended doing it, and in his opinion is doing nothing wrong. Why does no one own up to playing boots out, even though we know lots of people must? Fancy doing something so innocuous, relative to the really terrible things that go on, yet being so embarassed about it, that you'd keep it to nonce-style underground dealings. All a bit grubby, cheap and sad this market in pretend stuff, a particularly parasitic form of free riding.

It's not though is it, they just use a line from the nursery rhyme, which makes sense as an adult sentence anyway, as a metaphor for a lonely girl. prefer parisians, more balls.

Record market's going crazy at the moment, like a trend of demented ebay and manship results have brought all the greedy pigs out of the woodwork. Two today - bobby valentin - use it... £900 and hustlers - boston monkey €600...frankly, just rude, even if they sell. like a lot of things in life, the game seems to be being appropriated by the greedy and the rich. I know a lot of visionary collectors and djs who have sadly been priced out the game, not having inheritences or bonuses to splash around.. fuckin rich white guys...always ruin everything ;-)