Modernsoulsucks

Andy I think Chalky referred to your list as "proof" that Symphonics is now £150. As you sold it and got six other offers then I have to eat my words although on the good side at least I got a bargain!! Boba has confirmed that it's extremely scarce in Chicago and I gotta admit that having spent many months there in the 90's I didn't find it there either that I can remember. On the other hand no one was asking me for it either so any demand must be pretty recent. However, and despite the demand you relate, I bet you can still pick it up for less. Clara Hardy entered into it because despite experience sellers can make mistakes and I certainly did think £400 was way over the top for this 45 now. Obviously if it wasn't yours then you probably didn't set the price but here's a copy for £290. Im sure Detroitantiques will be listing another very soon as well. https://cgi.ebay.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-CLARA-HA...VQQcmdZViewItem Just because someone paid £400 doesn't make that the going rate. Seven people willing to pay £150 or more would tend to suggest that you're right with the Symphonics but again I'd disagree with Chalky that you can ignore Ebay as a reliable guide to prices and suggest that Symphonics isn't going to fetch $300 on Ebay. Slight fly in the ointment there in that I had been looking for a copy for years and Mick's was the first I'd seen but 45s do tend to suddenly appear on there once copies start selling for real money. I guess that's just US dealers becoming aware of the title. ROD

Apologies for hi-jacking thread but Im pretty sure last copy of this 45 on here was £50 few weeks back. I only know this cos I'd just got a copy off Mick Smith for £20 on Ebay Buy-it-now and I thought that's a bit expensive when Mick had it at £20 and I certainly wasn't the first to look at Mick's. How Chalky arrives at £150 Christ knows other than Andy's list. Chalky would also have us believe that Ebay is not a reliable indicator of record prices so I guess Im to ignore Clara Hardy selling now regularly at just over £100 on Ebay and take Andy's £400 valuation according to the same list mentioned by Chalky. Don't know why people bother bidding against each other on the Clara Hardy when Detroitantiques or whoever has probably got enough to go around. Ferret I'd hang on a bit until Symphonics is not flavour of the month. ROD

Have either of them got a version of "Ain't no mountain high enough" on the flip?

I thought his best was his version of Virginia Blakely? ROD

https://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-70S-SOUL-LOU-CURT...1QQcmdZViewItem Trust that link works. Know we've covered this somewhere before but did we reach a conclusion. Just seen this for stupid money on Ebay. It is a boot,right? Made for beach market I assume as the Pad is a famous club at Mrytle Beach and the otherr side is a track off a Robert Winter LP? ROD

Maybe the other side is OK? ROD

Sorry mate, I stand corrected but I 've never been to Dublin although I do have relatives in Cork who are extremely friendly and likeable if only I could understand a word they were saying. ROD

You do,do you. I find it childish and infuriating but I am thinking about it. I wouldn't have to throw in a bit of cash too would I? It's probably going for over £200 now and Christ knows what it will be worth by Friday. Bearsy I think you've done your bit to earn your discount on Pete's next list. ROD

Unfortunately I find myself agreeing with Pete Smith, who I understand will be listing prices on his next list in pieces of silver, in that ANMHE has not been overplayed in the clubs for the simple reason that until Mick Smith had some kinda seizure this 45 was not considered suitable for playing in a Northern club because in the past the consensus was that it was not Northern, so had you waited to hear this at the Torch,Wigan,Mecca or Stafford you'd have been disappointed. Ste, I take no offence at all and now that you have inducted me into the rare soul brigade Im looking forward to discussing matrix numbers with fellow enthusiasts until my lips fall off. ROD

Most of these I got as higher graded 45s but I only collect Minty records so off-loading them. VG+ means it's very good at least. NOT just above fu..ed!! No scratches and no unsightly marks on any. Anyone wanting to hear any could phone me after 7pm on mobile 07766 765141. Quite happy to send 45s if not sure about condition. Looking for Minty ska/rocksteady, Island label 45s as well Thanks Rod Barbara Mercer "Hey" GW Ex £5 Leon & Metronomes "I'll catch you on the rebound" WDJ CARNIVAL EX £25 Vibrations "Canadian Sunset" OKEH DJ VG+ £4 Forest Hairston "We go to pieces" M- VINEY £10 Johnnie Mae Matthews "Here comes my baby" BLUE ROCK Ex £5 Mandells "Do'in the look" WDJ M JUBILEE £10 Robert Moore "Jo-ann" De-Luxe DJ M- Good semi-known £10 Showmen "The honey house" DJ Swan Ex £8 Kennard Gardner "Do the skin" Dore VG+ [slight tear near centre hole] £5 Delta 67807 Entertainers IIII "People don't look no more" Ex DORE [delta 59379] £5 Embers "It ain't necessary" Ex Bell DJ On reverse paper pressed into grooves but doesn't affect play i.e. no clicks £10

Im sure I posted this before but I guess no one pays much attention. Deffo Richard play at Wigan but it was doing nothing really. In a warehouse in Washington '81-ish and there's all these copies of the 45. Played it and thought I recognise that. Bought 10 I think. Dave and I may have kept a copy and played it. I'd estimate I left around 600+. Late 80's and 45s in warehouse long gone and no way to contact the lady who had them all, plus a few thousand soul'rare groove LPs that were not worth picking up back in early 80's. ROD

Im slightly heartened by the miniscule support I have received by other members of the head up one's own arse rare soul brigade, as we are affectionately known by Mr. Brazil. I would like to point out that I never said anything about it being rare soul or not. I just said that as a Motown 45 it was pretty poor IMO compared to most and the examples [Contours/Kim Weston] I gave are in no way "rare soul". I also said that in a short dj spot surely there are hundreds of more stimulating 45s to choose from, a point conceded by Pete "Judas" Smith. I can understand that Mick may have captured a moment by playing this 45 recently but as Pikey said we are now talking about it being the next big "handbag" sound to be tolerated at Across the Board do's. Im a big fan of Motown and have over 200 45s but for me Mr Gordy kinda lost it when the Tops got to cover pop songs and his attention moved from the streets of Detroit to the lounges of Las Vegas. This 45 to my ears falls on the wrong side of that divide. ROD

I can see Im out voted here so I will concede defeat gracefully, you cloth-eared knobheads!! Thank you for putting me in my place ROD

Well Mischief, maybe I am. I never had much of an ear for knowing what makes a good Northern 45. ROD

Sebastian, of course I bloody do but Im not spending all night typing just for you to say "oh yeah you're right". ROD

Well Chrissie and Mischief you're both entitled to your views even if completely erroneous!!! Something like the Contours "Your love grows more precious" or Kim Weston "Looking for the right guy" are "great bit"s of Motown/Soul. Not this pop schmaltz. Chrissie are you seriously suggesting that in a dj spot of usually an hour this is worth 2.30mins of anyone's time, bearing in mind what is out there to play. ROD

https://cgi.ebay.com/MARVIN-GAYE-45-AINT-NO...1QQcmdZViewItem Hope that link works!! Can someone explain why this pop favourite of my mother's is getting played at the expense of say around ten thousand and upward tunes of better quality and who on earth is bidding on it. OK it's a demo but $122 last time I looked. I know some of us think maybe the scene has lost it's focus in recent years but this.... ROD

Had a quick look at this and don't buy the argument that disco, esp as typified by compilation Ian posted, was a "natural" progression on from 60's soul aimed at the dance floor. Unfortunately I know bugger-all about 70's in depth but those of you on here who are into that era probably have "dance" records made in that period that can't be descibed as disco. Would something like Nathan Williams fall in that period. I'd contend that disco is a kinda hybrid mixing soul/R&B with pop and other influences which I would say was similar to late 60's Motown where Gordy tried to sell straight into the pop charts rather than aiming at the R&B market first. Im not saying that there weren't soulful disco 45s produced but as a general term it is not synonymous with Black Music and in fact brought about it's rather dubious reputation by re-working unsuitable material into a disco style. Having said that I have fond memories of "Theme from a Summer Place" [76?] on Columbia I think than Levine spun once or twice at the Mecca. Whilst Im actually thinking about disco played on the scene it didn't really mix too well with the 60's did it? Not talking Carstairs early era here but the whole Salsoul "Before 3001" or whatever schtick. I mean didn't Colin sorta segregate "Cheatin Kind" etc into the last half-hour when the Mecca really got into it. ROD

There are a couple on there I'd be interested in. Any chance of emending original post to show condition. ROD

I picked up original release on USA Bullet, before Yew, of Intrigues "In a moment". £15 incP&P and I've never seen it and didn't know about it either. ROD

Gotta be Simon Sousson. He conned everbody!! ROD

Steve, I obviously can see your point but I've cleared the floor many a time wiyh 45s that went on to be huge such as Trannels, Johnnie Mae Matthews and Pat&Blenders. I don't care. Now,you and Sam are respected names on the scene. Why not leave the rare oldies at home and play what you believe in. ROD

Helena, just had a quick look ay playlists. You're right it was a lot of modern soul which I am not up on but Im sure there are others on here who are and can compare. Of the 60's playlists nothing I didn't recognise. A lot of the modern was from years ago like Matt Brown and Ernest Baker. From your 3 spots I didn't know PJ City,Mae Gem and Alfie Capers. Modern guys on here may know them. It was a mixture though with two-step/boogie/rare groove like Matt Covington 12",Sylvia Striplin,Heaven and Earth,[ I know the records cos I used to have a shop and sell this stuff] again from years ago in the UK and there seemed to be garage or YK2 soul lists as well. So although I can't be sure re. modern I don't think there's any evidence that the Swedish scene is doing anything but mixing different styles popular over here in the past. From the pictures you are all enjoying yourselves which is the main thing although I hope you all did your homework and tidied your room before you went out. ROD

Just noticed my demo is distributed by Laurie. ROD

I just had a look at Bogue's . I have a demo white with a "star" on left hand side of "Instant Heartbreak" and number is DR-1004DJ. Also a stamp but probably optional saying "THANKS Bob Sziiagy-Bill Craig SIDRA RECORDS 18292 Wyoming-Detroit MI" Matrix stamped WAKM 0326 1A" Hope that helps ROD