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Temptations is a different record. I have the feeling though that IAP and Duprees are the same group and maybe the same version. ROD

As everybody is apologising it was I who used "boot" first. I see it's a legal re-issue so sorry about that. Murano has either got a nice £150-200 original or a piece of tat he might get £5 for if he's lucky. The suspense is killing me. ROD

"VIRTUE" scratched in and F-TRO-3 scratched in on "A changed man" side Other side same except F-TRO-2 and LW. Info taken from white promo so definite original 45 is vinyl. Boot may have been styrene. Can't remember now. ROD

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Re-checked my mate's copy and NO LW on b-side. Does that mean it's a boot even though it has all the markings on A-side. ROD

Yes. Isn't it just something that when it was big it didn't matter whether dj or regular so copies in collections. ROD

The golden rule appears to be if you have a copy it's worth twice it's value and if you haven't it's worth half the value. IMO Brian's at £275 was a very fair price and I reckon £450 would not be at all a surprise. However this 45 tends to be in collections and those who have it wouldn't sell at £275 or £600. Wilxy it's on styrene or brittle plastic anyway [not bendy] and delta # is 58486 with MR [kinda joined up] in circle stamped and J-1 scratched in. ROD

If you check Popsike I think top price with sleeve for Mint is around £125 so £225 seems a lot to me. I got whole thing for £56 I think off Ebay but it was 4-5 years ago. ROD

Rick, I got a bit mixed up with mother master,stamper in previous posts. Got it now. From that I assume engravings etchings on master and then mother are the same but then stampers could differ and it is the stampers that give the#'s on the vinyl. SI and P., Well I'd say those are originals then but I don't think my mate's is. Im going to re-check his has NO LW despite A-side having correct markings. I did look at it thoroughly last time but I'll make sure. As Rick says stampers may have differenty markings but the poor sound quality on his tends me toward boot. Been in touch with John again. I don't have his guide and no idea if it mentions LW on B-side. ROD

To be honest Steve I've no real idea what that means as far as original v. boot. Im right in saying then that apart from the D# and LW the b-side has no other markings but the A-side has the D#, LW BF and A which is exactly as my demo, so presumably you have the original issue. However my mate's has all the markings on A-side but no LW on B-side so is his a boot? Or is it as Rick infers that masters wear out and some original regular issues were pressed up using a different master for the B-side only. What's the sound quality like on yours? John M actually PM'd me today so no doubt he's looking at this thread and hopefully he can sort it out.

I always carried a micrometer, a slide rule and a table of logarithms. Im not particularly interested in the finer points myself but I did mull this over today. As I understand you there are master plates but they wear out so new ones are made from the mother. If that's right then this particular copy my mate had could only be explained by using the same plate as used for the demo "Girl across.. side and a different plate for the other side as the deadwax does not have LW like the demo. As you say though if it looks like boot... It doesn't particularly and it has the same markings on "Girl.." side as the demo. BUT it sounds rubbish compared to the demo. I wonder if people on here who think they have an original because of the A-side markings have checked the other side for LW and whether they've listened to the regular copy alongside the demo. ROD

You don't look through the sales on here? ROD

You mean it's a version? Sounds familiar tune. Is it something like "Then only then" which was a beat ballad that got a few plays in the 80's/90's originating out of Jamaican scene. Very vague recollection. J.B.Love on Congress but I can't find a clip to compare ROD

Of course it matters what's in the dead wax. I knew there was something fishy about you when you couldn't recite the ZTSC #'s for the entire Golden World catalogue that time. As I remember you were adamant "Spellbound" was 106735 when it was 107635. Rather an elementary mistake, which completely took the shine off the fact that you got all the others right. You didn't dare show your face for weeks. I understand your explanation re masters from mother as to different markings. My only interest was to establish whether my mate's copy was the original. He was owed money. Here's a MS orig at £X. Was it worth that. There was a big difference in sound quality. Very muffled compared to the demo. You could barely hear that tinkling cymbal or whatever it is. And it did sound slightly faster, or at least I thought it did and so did my mate who had pointed that out to me before Gene replied. Apart from that though very hard to say and Im really no wiser. Hope you're well ROD

Thanks Gene. He's still here with it. Played it and we think it is faster. It's certainly nowhere near the audio quality of the dj copy. It does have all the markings though on the A-side as mentioned above in the thread but as I said not on the b-side which as no LW like demo. ROD

A mate just brought a copy round for me to look at. It has the BF etc but the other side only has DMOS 2 scratched in whilst my demo has LW as well. Vinyl is not the same as demo and label is also attached differently. Is the regular he has still the original. ROD

Not quite sure what you're trying to say there. Condition always enters into it. You can see that from prices. Im really not bothered if something I own is bootlegged. What Im saying is [and point is also made by Mark on Ivorys thread] it's dumb in the extreme to spend lots of money on poor condition [VG and below] 45s just because owning an original carries some kudos or it's something popular on the dance floor. Obviously that doesn't apply to one or two very very rare items or something spectacular that is new to everybody.

No still got lots but have sold a few over last few years for sorting out the odd financial necessity. It just doesn't bother me if like JB they're re-issued and I have them. I only buy M or M- and for my own pleasure. I get just as much enjoyment from a £5 45 as a £500 45 as long as they fit in with my collecting. Like Chalky though I don't see the point in shelling out for VG copies of rarities that have been played to death anyway. You may as well play a legal re-issue and save your money for something different.

No, you thought wrong. It evolved from what turned out to be surprisingly easy records to get hold of. With the benefit of hindsight of course. And whilst I do remember a time when a boot devalued the original it's not been that way for quite a time other than dj flavour of the month 45s sometimes suffer if demand is satisfied either through originals turning up or bootlegs/re-issues. I kinda see 45s as collectible value + X for demand. ROD

I can only see an "R" stamp on mine. Misunderstood Ernie's post. Thought he meant there were other letters stamped on original as well as "R". Seems H and I would be original as well as long as not boot with H. ROD

I think Richard is confusing tripe with utter tripe, now complicated by the injection of complete shite as Dave has pointed out.

I think he's referring to me Jaco but his post was poorly expressed as is to be expected from a moron who had to re-sit his "A" levels. I don't recall Richard ever asking me previously but if he did I probably ignored him in case he went out and bought it. He has enough awful records in his collection as it is. The only person I know with a large collection, the value of which starts with a minus sign. ROD

Wasn't it Copper 'n' Brass. https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/49604/COPPER_N_BRASS

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Nev, Are you taking the lower matrix # as A-side? It is in this case, and I was always led to believe that this is how it works. However I was checking through my Revilot and I noticed that "Our Love" matrix is lower than "Open the door..." [on grey] but "Open" is the A side? ROD