Modernsoulsucks

Jez, I think I went to a club actually in Macclesfield in early 70's so you may be thinking of that. There was a night at the Spectrum pub on London Rd about 1mile from Stockport town centre that I think was on a Thursday but can't remember re Saturday. Rick Cooper did dj there occasionally. Long long time ago when O'Jays "Deeper in love" and "Looky Looky" were popular. Remember Rick playing "Baby boy". No idea who ran that. There was also an allnighter at the Tabernacle club in Stockport but I never went and pretty sure it was very early days like '68 or earlier. There was a lot going on around Manchester in late 60's/early 70's cos of the Wheel but I was just starting out and I think a lot of the movers and shakers then have disappeared now. Well in fact they'd gone by early 70's. Another good dj based on what he played at the time was Al Devine who used to do the Moon in Duckinfield. ROD

This bit of info is not a definite history but just what I remember. Im pretty sure the original Pendulem was somewhere like the Victoria Hotel, Hardman St. No idea how long it was based there but I went along one night after a Chairmen of the Board show and I was still at school so sometime between '69-'71. There were quite a few clubs around Manchester at that time playing "Northern" [altho not called that then] originating out of the Wheel scene and the venues I attended then were the Poco Poco in Stockport [sunday night], Moon in Duckinfield [Thursday and Saturday nights], Birdcage in Ashton [sunday night], Browns in Levenshulme [weekday night I think]. No idea when Pendulem moved to MSG but I was a regular there from sometime in '72 although I was living in London for a while but still used to get back some weekends. It was deffo a Friday and then Sundays were introduced but to be honest I can't remember Saturday nights but then Torch or the Mecca were on. I don't know if Saturdays were a short-lived trial. I reckon Barry Tasker was one of the best dj's ever and IMO him and Dave were miles ahead at the time. They seemed to have all the Torch biggies and others that didn't catch on till years later such as Mamie Galore on Sack and Joseph Moore. I'd imagine Brian "45" Phillips had some input there, but there were other "faces" such as Al Birkhead and Steve Vickers who seemed to have a phenomenal knowledge of 60's soul. I don't remember Rick Cooper being a regular there but he may have done a guest spot as he worked at Global and had a really good collection. Similarly Richard worked at Global too and did get a regular spot but I think toward the end of the club. Bearing in mind that other thread about "warm-up" spots Barry and Dave would play a lot of 45s at the beginning which were yet to break. Rhonda Davis was a constant "bubbling-under" sound. Bobby Bland was a favourite too with "Yum Yum Tree", "Shoes" "Aint nothin' you can do". Quite a lot of midtempo stuff in fact when at the time the faster sound was in vogue. I don't know about Chuck Wood. Think that was more a youth club 45 even then but I do associate "Unsatisfied" with the club. I guess it was slightly dodgey sometimes and I can believe the tale about Sam and his 45s but generally it was OK there and if you didn't go but went to Cats instead I'd say they were on a par from what I've read of Cats. Im sure Francis T or Julian Bentley on here can remember other details. ROD

Ignore Gorgonzilla he's too veined to accept defeat and is just clutching at straws. The 1.09mm was brought to my attention by Mr. Manship in a recent auction to differentiate that from the St.Louis pressing. As Godz pointed out I found it fairly amusing to think we had come to this in relation to listening to the music we love and I'd imagine it's the kinda stuff maybe spouted by someone out to parade their superiority hence my inclusion in a hopefully funny aside completely ruined by Godz picking me up [quite rightly] on my spelling of Chateauneuf... And now Red Riding. ROD

You're just jealous you didn't come up with it!! I'll be seeing you in the playground afterwards. Yarg utted really aren't you? ROD

You're trying to come up with one now,aren't you? ROD

I've no idea why the smiley was there. You coulda been pleasuring yourself for all I knew. And yes your cheese jokes were cheesier than mine but believe me when I say if I'd been able to come up with a suitable pun for Cornish Yarg you woulda been begging for mercy. ROD

I quite agree. Just last week I was sharing a fine bottle of Chateau Neuf du Pape with Jo Armstead who was incredulous that there are some collectors and dj's out there who have to make do with the 1.09mm Salvadors release, and I did mention then that snobbery and pretention were rife nowadays but I didn't get involved myself. ROD

It's £45 on Manny's at E+ 1/10 for effort. Simple google and no grading of sleeve or vinyl. Did you learn nothing from being sat next to me at Wigan other than not to openly display Cabaret Voltaire 12"s? ROD

I've read this a couple of times and the meaning is eluding me. You put a 45 on. He'd played it in his car earlier? What didn't he give a shit about? Sorry if Im being dumb!! ROD

Have you tried re-booting the computer? ROD

So at this rate you'll only have Chris Moyles and Elizabeth Bowman to choose from for the anniversary. ROD

Im sure you're correct in your character assassination critique of Mr Chadwick and his ill-fated dj career. Who could not be moved by the soul stylings of Ms Swann. I especially like the duet "Hippopotamus Song" with that Flanders guy. Whilst I respect your stance not to attend nights featuring bootlegs I would suggest that the decision is based on the music policy rather than the actual bootleg. Is there a cut-off point? One bootleg is too many? I can't imagine you hang around the decks checking so you must have made the choice on the dj rosta and the type of event advertised before deciding whether to go. Now I and maybe others dont go to R&B events but that doesn't mean you shouldn't play R&B. It's just a personal preference as is yours. Bandying about the term "twat" [not you!!] to describe non-OVO people is rather OTT in my view as is ascribing the basest of instincts to them whilst portraying the OVO breed as beyond reproach. We've already mentioned Mr. Chadwick. The lack of passion and commitment on the part of the non-OVO is frequently cited and yet Im sure we can all think of other OVO djs and collectors who have dropped off whilst, to use Sean's Biffo,he is still doing it albeit with a mixture of boots,re-issues and carvers, long after these other guys have gone. Who has the long-term dedication there? I don't think we should be sneering at those who buy boots. Family Tree made a very good point that these fans don't set out to buy boots as a snub to the OVO mob. They buy what they like as cheap as possible and if they've been into it as long as the rest of us, which they have,they've ended up with a large collection that will include legit re-issues and originals. The problem some have on here is when these people fancy sharing their collections with like-minded folk in a club but then they're not guesting at Burnley,Lifeline, Middleton etc. I understand the rationale behind discouraging boots/carvers from becoming acceptable outside of an oldies night but again I think it's more to do with moving the scene on and not getting stale. Im sure someone like Paul S would think the same of the OVO dj who played safe. If it's upfront then it will be OVO anyway and there's no need for self-appointed guardians to enforce the rule. And if as Gasher mentioned someone is there playing Grapevine re-issues that you have on original to play then maybe time to get a couple of new tunes. A couple of bits of your "evidence" that I didn't really agree with. The odd Emi was played at Wigan and Stafford but you're right exception rather than the rule. As for "serious dj's" back in the day Im not so sure it was like that. Rather than build a collection wasn't it more play the latest sound and unload when word got out re imminent pressing and buy something on the up. No doubt Ian will have input on that. Finally I think it's Darcy who has been one of the most vocal on here in criticising the non-OVO attitude but he does tend to bring up the same comments time and time again and whilst generalising I have a suspicion that he's got somebody definite in mind but I think he may be stereotyping everybody on the basis of just the one ego-tripper. ROD

It's not that Dianne Davidson on Janus is it? ROD

The name Steve Chadwick springs to mind. I've no idea why some people who collect OVO have such a downer on those who don't. It seems to come down to dj spots. Less-deserving jocks are.... Well actually Im not sure what they're doing. Bringing the scene into disrepute I guess although most on here have said that they're not really part of it if they play boots. I think if you're gonna be critically harsh with those people maybe you should apply similar rules to the OVO mob. Such as don't play 45s I heard 20-30 years ago whilst pretending it's upfront or if your playlist doesn't include your own discoveries then don't bother at all. Extremely easy to invent your own rules with a few like-minded mates and look down on those that don't follow them. ROD

That seems a bit short-sighted. If you have a customer at £450 then offering book price earns you £100 plus a happy customer? ROD

I wasn't really thinking of carvers in connection with oldies nights. No one gets a carver do they of something that's already booted or re-issued. Getting carvers of current sounds is obviously a no-no but it's nothing new unless I imagined all those Emidiscs back in the 70's. Im not sure where this obsession with oldies originated but I'd guess Mr M's. I don't think the records played in there were all originals so there is no OVO history with that part of the scene. I'd say if anybody dj-ing is pissed off when someone plays a boot or re-issue of a 45 on your playlist then maybe it's time to look at your own box cos obviously you need to refresh. As for telling people that they're some kinda second class soul fan cos OVO plays no part in their thinking it's condescending and patronising. There's a multiple of choices available so I'd have thought avoiding the venues where anything goes is enough without also demonising anyone involved from promoter down to clientelle. ROD

Kinda what I was thinking too. Still Ebay do have rules about selling boots and counterfeits so as long as they enforce it "Digger" should be alright. A thought!! Does that mean he might be better going through Ebay rather than Paypal? ROD

If there was a clear picture you may have a problem. ROD

It is now but I wonder if it was thart when Mark first posted. He wouldn't put unknown instr when it's a vocal. Some re-alignment of Refosoul? ROD

Looks like a boot to me. Sorry. Value very little. ROD

OVO back in the day and even earlier than 1980 was just a by-product of playing something new. It was nothing to do with OVO in itself. In fact at one time once a 45 had had it's day that was it. Rare OVO or not. My contention is that it should be no different today. If it's one of these so-called upfront clubs the 45 will be on OVO anyway. If it's an oldies do then what does it matter what format the music is on as long as it entertains the crowd. And what would be the point of differentiating between OVO and any format oldies nights, other than on the basis of your own personal preferences/prejudices. AS for soul snobs if us OVO collectors keep having a pop at those places where the rules are lax then it's no wonder others see us as superior or condescending because for a lot of people it doesn't matter. Playing OVO doesn't drive the scene forward, for instance Johnny Howard, Lee Fields. Playing new discoveries does. ROD

I just checked and you're 59!! I now feel inadequate as I can't do the soundfiles. I did ask ages ago for someone nearby to help me set up some vinyl to MP3 convertor or whatever but no kind souls out there and after 2 years it's still in the box!! I may now have a go cos you're right although in my case it's not laziness just fear of f**king the computer up. However whilst your suggestion is helpful for hearing 45s you might not know, most collectors buy 45s using visual grading so it doesn't help that much just to hear that the record plays fine. Play grading at say Ex doesn't mean the record is Ex. More OK to dj with or whatever blurb sellers use to offload a beat copy. ROD

AMEN!!!! And add Mint/Ex/VG+ but cracked ROD

Thank you. That takes me back to the days of hiding my school report from my parents. ROD