John Benson

Just curious, I also have a coloured DJ copy as pictured above which I would have picked up not long after the 'black and white" ones turned up. Are there any 'regular' issues of the coloured ones? For the life of me I can't remember if I've seen any or not

Sean - Just 'found' the tape itself... actually you did it around 16th of January 1993 So it's not all that long ago really is it? (15 1/2 years) Titled "Some serious soul" - - - seriously...

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You certainly did!

I think you mean "Come here girl" don't you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBsNTj2jqMo

I had a feeling this was going to get complicated But under the 'rules' laid down (as Steve mentions above), then I do have to agree with him on all the above... although I'm not quite sure about the reasoning behind the Garland Green track, as strictly speaking it was still out on an LP prior to gaining a release on a 45 - for quite a few years at that.! ********************** As far as I can find out, the Contours "Baby hit and run" was released on TMG 886 in February 1974 But the LP on Music For Pleasure - I have conflicting dates, some say January 1974 and others say May 1974 But I still seem to think it was played originally from the LP and later issued on a 45, so we could still do with a bit more info to confirm one way or another which is actually correct.

No, you're not alone... ... Here's the 'other' side of an old Dave Godin tip (?) T'other side was "Right on" - which was released in the UK on Polydor

Sorry Don - this was taken from the LP "Peace and understanding" on Soul 738 (1973). Released on a 45 due to spins from the LP at all nighters I can recall it played at Wigan and it was from the LP, the 45 wasn't released until later. Which actually made it almost a new release at the time! Oh, Eddie - the Marvelettes "Reaching for something I can't have" was also an LP track, it came from the "Sophisticated soul" LP on Tamla 286 (1968) The 45 you mentioned was a re-issue of an earlier UK release (TMG 701) from 1969) Still trying to think of something else to add to the list...

Of course Mr Gerald is otherwise known as Ray Godfrey of "Candy Clown" & "Come and get these memories" fame. He also recorded for Spring records at the time of "My man..."

No Eddie, I don't think we can allow either of those as they were both previously out on LPs (Mind you, I hadn't realised that there was no US 45 for "Key in the mailbox" - you may be right on that one)

Got to agree with Manus on this one Mel, I didn't think he was saying that it shouldn't have got played at Wigan - merely that it got some plays (as opposed to lots of plays?) I remember it getting lots of plays round our way at the time - along with other Mecca and Wigan tunes at the same time. But I don't think it's worth having an argument over...

No, not Bobby Byrd with that title - the title belongs to the Bobby McClure on Island that I mentioned above! Are you thinking of "Thank you for your love" on Contempo? - That was Bobby Byrd Yep, I reckon it qualifies for the list as well

Brook Brenton isn't Brenton Wood

So it is! I'd not come across this one before, that I remember anyway! Cheers Carl

If we're picking out tracks which were on albums before the 45 release and removing them from the list, then I'd still have to query the Bob & Earl Band on Jay Boy - I thought it was already on the Jay Boy "Bob & Earl" LP before the 45 was released (Didn't this get discussed on Soul Talk a few years back Ady?) Also... What about the Jimmy Ruffin track "The Entertainer" - taken from his 1975 Polydor LP Surely this can't be allowed either? Don't also forget the Contours "Baby hit and run" - this was definitely played from the Music for Pleasure album, long before the 45 was released. ----------------------------------------- Now, to add to the list - what about Bobby McClure "You bring out the love in me" on Island? That doesn't appear to have been out in any other shape or form prior to this. Also there's GC Cameron "Live for love" on Flamingo More to follow, when I've had a good think about this...

Agreed, Mr Wood certainly put out some nice tunes Another nice one from the same period is "Come here girl" Not forgetting his Cream period is a nice one called "You're everything I need" - the same song as done by Major Lance no less. Oh, and don't forget "Better believe it" on Warner Bros, which is quite nice too!

'BumpShop' certainly is, but I don't know about 'Luv'

I think the big debate would be more about the new releases being played rather than when the term 'Modern Soul' was used first. As already said, new releases were played right through the 70's (and of course before that, probably even more so) My first recollections of the term being used regularly was around the time of Snaith, which wasn't while the late 70's. (Remember that Ed - when you were first learning to drive & I used to sit with you on a Sunday afternoon? ) Probably something to do with Sam & Arthur when they 'broke off' and started to do their own thing. I've no doubt it was used earlier than that, maybe by the dealers to diferentiate between the 60's style and more recent 'modern' releases. I would think people who were in regular contact with such as John Anderson at the time would maybe have a better idea of when that would have been.

I don't have any info regarding any online listings - although the above isn't a bad start! There was one in Steve Guarnori's mag, New Blackbeat - issue 5 (page 23) and issue 6 (page 26) Also there was a US listing in Rod Dearlove's mag Voices From the Shadows - issue 21 (page 13), issue 22 (page 18) and issue 23 (page 38) Hope this helps!

Yes, there were two releases of "You busted my mind" - both on the same release number of 12157. One has the above mentioned "Your kind of lovin' " and the other "He's the kind of guy" I can't remember which one I have off hand though! Maybe the record company decided they didn't like one of them and released it again? Or could it just have been a regional thing?

This record, I first remember hearing Poke playing around the time of Snaith, which would have been 1979 / 1980 or thereabouts. I couldn't make my mind up if I liked it or not then, and even now I'm not so sure about it Don't know what it is about it though.... but there's just something about it It's a good job we don't all like the things though isn't it!

Speaking of black issues.... How often does this one turn up? I normally only see the orange ones of this. Is it a bit of an oddity or what?

Just reading this made me remember the (one and only) time I sat up in that balcony for two hours solid, holding a microphone Guess what, I've not long since got out the tracklisting for it and it was done sometime in May 1974 so not much after Dave's tape. I was just going to scan in the handwritten listing, but decided to type it out - for posterity! So here it is: Wigan Tape - May 1974 Side 1 We'll be making out - Jessica James & The Outlaws I've had it - Lee Andrews Land of 1000 dances - Mr Bloe I'll never get enough - Buchannan Brothers Too darn soulful - Morris Chestnut Please operator - Tony & Tyrone River deep, mountain high - Les McCann Ltd It really hurts me girl - Carstairs The Larue - Lada Edmund Jr Panic - Reparata & The Delrons Help me (Inst) - Al Wilson We got to keep on - Casanova II World without sunshine - Sandra Phillips Don't you care anymore - Jodi Mathis Thunder - Lord Thunder Let's do the duck - 'Richard Temple' (Willie Hutch) Easy Baby - Adventurers Why did you leave me girl - Soulful Hounds Prepared to love you - Thelma Lindsey Like Adam and Eve - Reflections I want to tell you - Obrey Wilson Sax on the tracks - Mike & Ike Run baby run - Discotheques There's a pain in my heart - Poppies Side 2 I can't help loving you - Paul Anka I don't want to discuss it - Instigation I'm satisfied with you - Fred Smith Orchestra Panic - Reparata & The Delrons I can't get enough - Teriffics This thing called love - Danny Wagner They say - Electronics Dance dance dance - Casualeers Let's go somewhere - R Dean Taylor Build your house on a strong foundation - Gwen & Ray Mr Big shot - Gene Chandler Let it be you babe - Music Box The Joker - Watts 103rd St Rhythm Band Love on a rampage - Perigents We got to keep on - Casanova II What's it gonna be - Susan Barrett Panic - Reparata & The Delrons It's gonna be hard - West Coast Revival Save my love for a rainy day - Van Dykes Help me (Inst) - Al Wilson Let it be you babe - Music Box Too darn Soulful - Morris Chestnut Jumping at the go go - Detroit Sounds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As you can probably tell from the tracks played - some of them more than once over the two hour period. I don't think Richard was on, but maybe Russ and someone else. I'd have to dig out the tape itself to check who it actually was as I can't remember that far back off the top of my head anymore! Plus - with the amount of instrumental tracks played, it probably was RW. From what I remember of it, it was typical of that period with lots of the old 'hand claps' during the records. That's all for now!

Is there any easy way to tell the re-issues? Apart from having a copy in your hands that is, are the 'new' ones bar coded or not gatefolded or anything easy to tell?

Yes I'm back! ... I've been having a look through the one's I have on this label and including the 3 UK Kwanza releases (Classic Sullivans, Black Ivory and Spyder Turner) and the two UK Warner Bros singles (Terry Collins & Bobby Byrd) - it looks like I only need the Sheila Ross single to have a copy of each release on a 7". Although there's a few more to get to have a copy of each US release... Anyway, more to the point - just what is her 45 like? I know it's not all that hard to pick up, but is it any good?