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The people who started Dusty Groove were two DJs from my radio station. One of them was one of the original rap DJs to play rap in Chicago in the early 80s (he only retired recently ... rap on chicago radio was very rare until like '86 as chicago was all house music), the other DJ did a show called "The Dusties Party" where he played Soul / Funk / Breaks. Not sure who came up with the term "Dusties", but Art Laboe in LA is known for coming up with the term "Oldies".

No, a lot of the music they play was never even released on vinyl. But they do dig up very weird tracks, so there is some sense of discovery that record collectors have in always trying to find new sounds. As long as the record has the right sound, they will play it. For example, there is a track off the Vanilla Ice movie soundtrack "Cool as Ice" -- I don't know who discovered the track, but it's obviously a rare soundtrack. There isn't a focus on the DJ having originals though, more on the DJ actually doing a good set. Older people (usually 35 years and older, including many people in their 70s) dress up really nice and do sort of complicated steppers dances.

Sean, Chicago doesn't have a group of people that call themselves "the souleros", it's mainly a california phenomenon with two distinct soulero groups. US collectors have always collected soul 45s and for different reasons. For example, lots of doowop collectors branched out into soul. Or locally in Chicago there are "steppers" collectors and people who want "dusties" that they remember. Chicago originated the term "dusties" (which some other places use now) while california originated the term "oldies".

Here is an actual real (and urgent) thing you can do to help Ohio musician Norman Whiteside, member of Wee and songwriter for Capsoul, Owl, etc. He is currently unfairly imprisoned and is facing his parole hearing. Positive letters of support will make a big difference in helping him get released. Here is a real thing that anyone can do to directly help a soul artist, which honestly is a the most direct way I've ever heard of being able to show respect for and compensate an artist for their music -- more than even buying a release directly from them. I hope lots of people will step up and write a personal letter, it probably costs less than $1 to mail and probably takes as much time as writing a long soul source post. Here is a link with more details. Hopefully the parole board will be flooded with messages of support. Thanks in advance for everyone's help: https://numerogroup.wordpress.com/2012/08/18/parole-for-norman-whiteside/

I have an original on black vinyl, can dig it up to get deadwax details. Full info should be in the kreiter guide if you know someone with that. Everyone thought the lead Ralph Johnson (dude with the solo record on masterkey also, also a member of the Ti-Chuans and Original Breed) was dead but I met him a few years ago and he was still kicking then at least.

Yeah, Americans are so stupid and can't read. I missed the post in the thread explicitly saying or even implying to only check the "biggest high quality northern sites", which one was that? As an aside, what is the "second biggest high quality one" after Manship? By the way, I look up any unknown thing on ebay on musicstack before bidding, it gives Manship's prices as well as many many more. How on earth did you get that you had to look at only "one or two of the biggest high quality northern sites"? Is it because you're British? Why on earth would I associate your reading it that way with your nationality vs. your personal reading skills, that wouldn't make any sense would it?

You know Tommy Brown must have been like "I ain't lyin!" when describing Liz' hair.

no it isn't. it isn't worth my time shopping around and discovering and reading through all the different places and private lists to save $5 for example. Winston Churchill's prostitute joke, while amusing as a joke, is an oversimplified reality.

I think there's a whole field of study called "economics" that would disagree with you. However, I agree with your general point that there's no simple rule in pricing records. Also, this argument comes up all the time, it's the next "OVO" thread.

if someone agreed they would be agreeing that the book sets the price on records

I agree with what you are saying. If you are going to spend top dollar on a 45, you probably should shop around first. The original post was about the difference between 100 pounds and 115 pounds though. Thanks.

i don't know what other people think but 1300 pounds for the cashmeres doesn't seem like a good deal

if only someone had posted a link to photos previously in the thread!

sorry, wasn't trying to dis you. you gotta admit there's a lot of in demand garbage out there.

Two releases that definitely exist: Radio City 1001 - The New Yorkers - You should have told me / There's going to be a wedding Radio City 1001 - The Royal Knights - You should have told me / There's going to be a wedding https://www.popsike.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-ROYAL-KNIGHTS-YOU-SHOULD-HAVE-TOLD-ME/200398500150.html https://www.popsike.com/Rare-Northern-Soul-45-THE-NEW-YORKERS-Radio-City-Rare-White-Promo/200734534631.html

one thing that I like to do when I don't know anything about a particular subject is google it and see if there is some sort of overview somewhere. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_soul

While the original question is a valid question, part of the issue is that people see "northern soul" and then dollar signs get in their eyes and they hear that "cha-ching" noise and they think "how can I sell 'northern soul'?" If someone signs up to the site to try to find if they have a valuable record and then asks the question, it comes across that way to me. Sorry elvisluvs if I got your motivation wrong, but that's too often people's motivation. I don't think there's some country message board where people are singing up all the time asking "what is western swing?"

I'm not old but I am grumpy. However, I am specifically tired of people ripping me off on ebay with the keyword.

The 1977 press with different vox isn't a bootleg btw

what about records that sell for $10 and $100 on ebay in the same day? an average of ebay around a specific point in time excluding outliers is closer to a true value though.

the other side "we all make mistakes sometimes" is great sweet soul. This group became BT Express. There is another version of the track by Richard Thompson on Columbia, who was also a member of BT Express.

It takes enough time to find records on ebay. Pointing out that some dealer had it for cheaper presupposes that the buyer is going to spend time shopping around the entire internet (and private lists) for the best deals for every single record. That is very tedious and time consuming.

this doesn't say much though

it''s a keyword that ahole sellers put on their ebay items that allows them to rip me off by listing country records and hard rock records in the soul category.

In Chicago there are multiple nights, the main northern one is the "windy city soul club" and the club reaches capacity very quickly leaving a line at the door. There are other soul nights, a boogie night, reggae / ska, rockabilly (I know that wasn't part of the question), etc. I think most of the people who go to the events are just excited to hear good music and are not familiar with the "canon" of the genre, which allows DJs to more freely play their own style of set.