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  1. Gin and the Gents ... 'Dreams for Sale' on Eldorado (also on Miss Thing, apparently). Not a bad record actually; got it in a Soul Bowl soul pack in 1978, and pleased to still have it.
  2. Plus, it's fun acquiring a little bit of knowledge - or ask a clued up friend - to help you buy some low-cost genuine originals when you are out and about at venues. Just as an example, in the sales boxes I took out to a soul night on Saturday there were maybe a hundred or more originals in the £10 to £30 price range. Moreover, there are plenty of other collectors who do the same, so there is a lot of choice. And as Steve G and Chalky pointed out above, there are loads of great records out there for that price - classics, underplayed, and sometimes even quite rare quality items.
  3. It doesn't matter. The point is (and was) that IL is probably working on it; and he has a history of doing so.
  4. I think you mean because they hadn't seen them in the flesh. And yes, of course that's true, that's why they were only 'nearlys'.
  5. He's quite the vandal isn't he ... as bad as four of them, in fact
  6. I'm sure Ian Levine is working on it, even as we speak. One or two of his 'nearlys' caught some people out a couple of years back ... Magnetics (Ra-Sel), Greater Experience, Sam Williams etc.
  7. Just looking for a another definite confirmed example. As stated. Thought that question was clear. So, just as a for instance, is there perhaps a Motown record we know of with a Monarch test press as well as an ARP test press (with 'quality control' writing would be nice too - as the icing on the cake!)?
  8. Some interesting points/theories there Robb, thank you. So, this would leave open the possibility (not too unrealistic, given the recent find) that another RCA test press or two might surface and, similarly, that one or more Monarch test presses could appear. A definite example (from anybody) of another Motown record where test presses from two different pressing plants have been confirmed would still be very helpful. Anyone? Oh, and I can't speak for others, but I can admit that the reason why I have never asked these questions before is because they never occurred to me, until this new Frank Wilson turned up a couple of years ago with the same 'quality control' writing on the label. Let's hope we get a clearer picture sometime soon!
  9. Yes, of course; I think we can all understand that. However, I still think it would be interesting to know whether there are any other Motown records where a test press (for quality control) was produced at one plant, and then another quantity (in this case six, albeit demos, also ostensibly for quality control) were produced at a separate plant. Anybody know of any examples?
  10. OK, that's fine, it doesn't matter which non-ARP plant the test press came from. So, are we saying that Motown would have demos and test presses produced from two or more plants just to check quality control and see if it was potentially worth issuing? Surely just the one would normally have sufficed? Are there any other examples of Motown test presses, for one record, from two or more completely different plants?
  11. Exactly. So why use a separate pressing plant; and presumably two different masters? And then, the question remains, how many test presses (from the RCA plant) were actually produced? Just the one?!
  12. Hang on. People seem to be missing the real point here. The Tim Brown copy, plus the ex-Ron Murphy then Kenny Burrell then Hull/Scunthorpe copiy (keep up now, that's two copies in total) have been well documented for many years. They are both demos with the same labels and same ARP matrix markings. In other words, they came from the same batch - of six, if the testimonies are correct. However, the test press (that is, the third known copy) which Jack White bought a couple of years ago is completely different. It was pressed at a totally different plant, and has different (non-ARP) matrix markings. That means - and this is the big point - that the Frank Wilson was pressed up separately at two different plants, for whatever reason, and there is no knowing at all how many of the test press were actually produced. Or why? That is the question. Why was it pressed in two different plants (for a 'sample' demo)? How many were pressed? And, even, are there any issues?
  13. Having said all that, it thankfully doesn't make 'Stop Girl' any worse than it already is!
  14. Sorry Ed, but need to correct you on both points. Dwarfs IS the correct traditional plural for dwarf. It is only dwarves when used in fantasy fiction, such as Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings' (https://grammarist.com/usage/dwarfs-dwarves/). However, the group (or groups?) may not have known this, and a typo could still be involved. Also, Twans is the correct name for the 'I Can't See Him Again' girl group from Florida; as referenced on here in 2012 by Roburt's excellent posts: https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/220335-wanted-info-or-any-pictures-of-the-twans/#comment-1693783 Cheers, Peter

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