Philt

Need a decent copy of this x-over thing please. PM me with price and condition cheers Phil

Great set Mark! Billy Robinson

Skint at the mo so reluctantly offering the following 45s for sale. Usual script: none are mint (cos they've been played) but all tightly graded and at least Ex unless stated (*Ex means excellent i.e. no or minimal very light marks which dnap and clean labels!) Money back if you ain't happy of course). Postage as per standard UK rates, overseas I'll get back to you. Howard Tate - you're looking good (Utopia) Ex- £200 If you're picky there is some very minor label wear, vinyl is lovely. Rare record imho Luther Ingram - run for your life / need you now (Hurdy-Gurdy) £200 Rare un and in great nick. Reduced from last list Tammy Wayne - have a good time (Boom) £75 Still a real fave of mine, awesome record! Spare copy, nice clean issue. Sensible offers (let's not waste one another's time) and good trades always a possibility (could really do with pound notes at the mo so they'd have to be good uns). Cheers Phil

Nothing in Mr Cunliffe's world is up to date Dave

Absolutely in a nutshell Chalky Lots of folk seem to think it's all about them I'm afraid, as DJs, promoters, punters or whatever. Never has been and never will be.

One or two things gotta go to pay some bills; some reduced and relisted. Standard UK postage, overseas I'll check but it'll be signed for. All graded tightly to be Ex or better unless stated; money back if you're unhappy of course. PM if interested. Sensible offers considered as per Cheers Phil Pacesetters - I'm gonna make it (Minit demo) £50 Victoria Williams and JB Ledbetter - show some sign (Verve) £100 Old Stafford stormer Ithacas - if you want my love (Fee Bee) vg++ £80 Old Rob M play, great record Fabulous Moonlighters - for granted (Blue Eagle) £250 Immaculate copy of this old Stafford monster Luther Ingram - run for your life / need you now (Hurdy Gurdy) £250 Immaculate copy of this great double sider. Don't see this much at all now and the best version of 'run' by a country mile IMHO Charles Farren - you've changed my whole life around (Hawk) vg+ £80 Lots of marks but plays fine Toni Basil - Breakaway (A&M w/d) vg++ £200 Clarence Reid - I'm your yes man (Wand demo) £47,000 Some staining on label and some scuff but plays superb. Bragain! The Vines - so it be (Audiodisc acetate) OFFERS £400+ or decent trades One-off unissued mid tempo came via group member. (Looks immaculate but does play with some background on my system for some strange reason. Sorry, can't do clips but will try and sort something for anyone who is interested. Might be as high tech as a phone call lol) Big Maybelle - quittin time / can't wait any longer (Rojac) £45 small wol The Patrick Bradley - one more chance (vocal) Decca demo £75 Fantastic Four - pin point it down (Soul white demo) £45 Immaculate and the only demo I've ever had. Pretty hard un I think and great record of course Tymes - what would I do (MGM demo) £40 Couple of scuffs dnap Marvelettes - I'll keep holding on (Tamla) £35 D Ross & Supremes - honey bee (French ps) £30 JJ Daniels - mr lonesome (Sure Shot) £40 Great semi known dancer Demetriss Tapp - what kind of girl (Brunswick) vg+++ £25 Enticers - calling for your love (Atl uk) £30 noc, small wol. Superb! Ernie Johnson & Soul Blenders - you've got to be faithful and true (Duplex) vg++ £80 Absolute steal, great semi-known dancer Kenny Smith - my day is coming (RCA w/d) £20 Great forgotten oldie Ty Karim - ain't that love enough (Ebony) £30 The version IMHO

Genius! Here's a couple: "Have you got that one that goes extra, extra read all about it" "Have you got any northern soul mate" My personal fave ... the good old fashioned folded piece of paper which I unwrap and squint at to reveal the statement: "pack it in, you're sh*t."(Think I know who was responsible, tw*t )

Hey mate, I realised it was a joke and that you know the other guy. No way you'd knowingly upset anyone

Bahar you still working for the Diplomatic Corps then Hope you're well mate!

Gotta pay some bills so, reluctantly, the following up for grabs. All strictly graded to be at least Ex (and Ex means excellent as opposed to vg+, most are better). Standard postage in UK; overseas I'll let you know but it'll be signed for: Otto & the Censations - girl we can make it (CTI) ON HOLD Toni Basil - breakaway (A&M w/d) vg++ £220 Absolute monster oldie Sonny Daye - long long road to happiness (Power) £175 Kinell, what a record! Creations - just remember me (Globe) £40 Immaculate copy of this old Searling c/u ('Steinways' from memory ). Again, had recent spins; absolute quality! Connie Questell - world of trouble / give up girl (Decca issue) vg+ (visually, vinyl) £100 Now then, this un ain't mint! Label a bit tatty on 'world' side and missing on flip. Plenty of light marks but both sides play great. Hard record to pick up these days and less than half price of a minter I reckon, if you can get hold of one. Money back if you're unhappy of course - you won't be (unless you prefer looking at em to listening to em) Demetriss Tapp - what kind of girl (Brunswick) VG++£30 Great, rarely gets played anymore for some strange reason Kenny Smith - my day is coming (RCA w/d) £25 Great 'forgotten' oldie needs playing. Just pitch it up a tad and away ye go Ditalians - I gotta go (Saxony) ON HOLD Forgotten stormer which you don't seem to see knocking around anymore If any prices are just wrong let me know and do feel free to have a sensible punt atb Phil

I'm liking that little selection Nev Tal Armstrong - give it up and Bobby King float my boat in particular atb Phil

On my way Ted Hope you're well mate

Yes mate, any idea on current price? (Sold mine a few years back for 150 or so as I recall, reckon it's gonna cost me a bit more than that now though) Cheers

Please PM with price and condition cheers

Gotta pay some bills and been sifting through a couple of boxes with stuff that's been hanging around so one or two bits on their way at what I hope are sensible prices. Nothing major but some nice 45s and all are all strictly graded to be at least Ex unless stated. One or two slightly 'wounded' discs included, all play well and maybe a chance to pick em up nice and cheap. Money back if you're unhappy of course. Standard UK postage overseas I'll let you know. Paypal (gift) is fine as are cq, cash etc: Philip@threlfall.fsbusiness.co.uk Toni Basil - breakaway (A&M w/d) £250 vg++ (small sticker residue and x on flip, breakaway side is clean) Visitors - what about me / my love is ready (TRC) £40 Great double-sider Ernie Johnson & the Soul Blenders - you've got to be faithful and true (Duplex) strong vg++ £90 Real bargain this semi-known dancer. Had nighter plays and will eventually 'go' I reckon. Technics - hey girl don't leave me (Chex) strong vg+ £100 Quality and pretty hard Detroit 45 to find in any condition in my experience. Few marks but the cleanest I've had and plays great. Would want a fair bit mofre for it if mint Major Harris - loving you more / just love me (Oken r&w demo) £35 Artistics - its those little things that count (Brunswick) £20 Sublime x-over Clarence Reid - I'm your yes man (Wand) £450 Slight water damage to label and the odd light mark dnap. Monster monster Versatile Gents - you've blown my mind (Linco) £25 Uptempo stormer with a funky edge Buddy Ace - true love money can't buy (Duke) £45 Soul Twins - she's the one (Backbeat) £30 Bit of a funky edge to this uptempo dancer, another that's getting plays it seems Dennis Lee - Sunday afternoon (Jenmark 106) £75 Absolutely love this laid back, jazz-tinged x-over DeCrescendos - one of the crowd (Prism) vg+++ £80 Bargain for this Stafford monster George Jackson - don't use me (Mercury w/d) vg visually plays great £75 This looks pretty beat-up but plays well enough and certainly ok to dj with. I'd be looking for 150+ mint so good chance to pick it up cheap. Great record btw Lenis Guess - working for my baby (New Faces 68) £15 Lee Williams and Cymbals - I need you baby / shing-a-ling USA (Carnival) £15 PW Cannon - beating of my lonely heart (Hickory) £15 Stafford all the way Casinos - if I told you (Del Val) £20 Great and cheap Incredibles - crying heart (Audio Arts - blue) £15 strong vg++ Superb! Recent plays out too Righteous Bros Band - rat race (Verve) £15 Butch Baker - working at the go go (St Lawrence) £20 Volumes - love you baby / ain't that lovin (Inferno) £15 vg++ 2 really good sides Major Lance - since I lost my baby's love (Volt 4069) £20 Kelly Bros - haven't I been good to you (Excello) £15 Stagemasters - baby I'm here (Slide - blue and white) £10 Stormer Finnigan's wake - you blew it (Val) £10 Festivals - you've got the makings of a lover (Smash) £15 Brilliant mid-tempo group Precisions - such misery (Drew) strong vg++ £50 Cheap enough I think, one of the best too! Taurus and Leo - I ain'ty playing / goin out of the world (Velvet Sound) strong vg+ £20 Thumper, and 2 great sides of course Vontastics - lady love (Moonshot) £25 solid vg+ Great underplayed oldie Fred Hughes - walk on back to you (Exodus) £25 as above. Nighter record for youth club money Diana Ross & Supremes - honey bee (French pic sleeve) £30 Nice! Barbara Lynn - this is the thanks I get (Atlantic) £15 You can't get much more soulful than this Manhattans - what's it gonna be (Carnival) £15 Never did a bad un Vontastics - feel kind of bad (Chess) £15 Another goodie for next to nowt Four Sonics - where are you (Triple B) £30 Great Detroit dancer of course and cheap as chips? Carolyn Crawford - my smile is just a frown / I'll come running (Motown) vg+ £35 Few marks and scuffs but cheap enough. Flip is awesome btw Amanda Humphrey - power of love (USA) vg+ £20 Bargain! Scuffs and the odd bit of crackle here n there. Forgotten and needs reactivating IMHO That'll do for now. Might sort through a few more later. Looking for E Rodney Jones - peace of mind if anyone fancies a trade Cheers Phil

That nice Mr Cunliffe now has my old one as I recall and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it got an outing at Radcliffe tomorrow. (Still love it but, if memory serves, it had to go in part-ex unfortunately).

Someone asked "who cares"? Me, lots as it goes. Yet to hear even one remotely coherent argument that legitimises playing bootlegs to paying punters. I'm tired of getting soaked p*ssing into this here head wind though. If you just don't get it you never, ever will Better things to be doing ... like saving up for that next shite, boring 'rare' record.

Bloody hell Bob, I'm confusing myself and you're not helping Last one from me too ... it undoubtedly seems irrational but The examples you've 'quoted' were responses to Rod's post in which made reference to a lack of grace and his use of grade as a means of differentiation - which I can't get my head around at all from a dj-ing point of view (as opposed to collecting). As I said, playing originals is playing originals ... ... playing boots isn't, erm, playing originals. - Love it all and have some passion for the right things i.e. the music and not your ego - Collect what you like, play what you like in your bedroom etc (I certainly do) - Don't ever play bootlegs to paying punters because it's taking the piss out of those who spent years looking for and boat loads of cash they couldn't really afford on originals (and it's 'ungracious') IMHO; - Whether you as a dancer or collector are bothered about whether I'm playing originals doesn't really matter to me in the final analysis, I'd much prefer it if it did though and try to frequent venues where people do care - If you play a boot of an original I've struggled to get hold of then I'm gonna see my arse; - If I pay to listen to you play and you're playing boots I think that's taking the piss; In both instances, IMHO of course, you have no respect for the things - call it exclusivity, snobbery, elitism or whatever you like but they have always been key ingredients - that have gone some way towards making this 'scene' different, as opposed to for everyone, run-of- the mill, lowest common denominator, and special in my opinion and experience e.g. how else are you gonna hear what Butch plays? You gotta want it, make the effort and get off your arse, just like you always have and quite right too. How would he react if someone went on before him and played a cut of one of his exclusives? Shrug and say 'never mind', I'll play something else instead'? I think not ... and if the rules are there for the top guys then surely everyone else should try and play by em otherwise we're all hypocrites aren't we? As I said in an earlier post, if you haven't hitched all over the bloody country to listen to certain djs play certain records as a pimply youth, simply because that was the only way you could hear them (or the real mccoy at least), then that would be hard to get your head around and seem pretty illogical I suspect. For me, playing bootlegs just goes totally against the grain. Suddenly everyone's a bloody dj running venues that are half empty cos it's more important that they dj than anything else; lots of punters don't seem to give a sh*t as long as they can hear the 'tune' and I'm afraid I just don't get that. Buy a CD and listen to it at home, swap tapes with someone but go out with higher expectations of the people who are charging you to get in and those who think they have earned the right to stand up and play them. A very well respected mate of mine said to me a few years ago that the day you could hear the Fascinators in Tesco it was all over and f*ck me he was so right. Trust me, I often wish it didn't mean so much to me all this nonsense Bob. atb Phil

I'm afraid you'll need to explain the ungracious bit to me, alongside the perception about being obsessed with what other people are doing. Which bit don't you get? For example, in what way is someone showing even a modicum of good grace by playing a boot of something you've spent years tracking down and/or fortunes on? Secondly, how on earth does the condition of originals differentiate them in terms of validity insofar as dj-ing is concerned? If they are original and they play well enough for folk to listen and dance to them without difficulty then what's to differentiate? Better to play a nice mint boot for a fiver and f*ck em eh? It would appear that you too are obsessive about collecting, as opposed to what people dj with to paying punters. Personally, I'll take whatever I can get / afford condition-wise, purely because I have to. However, originality is absolutely non-negotiable. Entirely different things IMHO. Oh aye, nearly forgot ... ... is that me you're referring to as infantile? I'll get me dad on yer

Absolutely spot on Matt

I would Pete, and all my other toys too Only after telling the promoter that he'd booked someone who is two bob so that's what, if anything, he should pay them. I'd also tell him he was a clueless f*cking knob (nicely though cos I'm a liberal leftie do-gooding social worker as you know). Thanks for the record mate. Superb service as usual. Trust its an original ps. I did once play a cut of something available only on acetate which the guy who owned had cut for me. Someone asked me to play it. Thanks for letting me share with the group, conscience [partially] appeased.

Cheerss Dave, FFS say hello next time! My mincers ain't what they used to be (along with all my other body parts) atb Phil

Like anything and as its always been, some have it and some don't IMHO. What I kind of object to though is a. Being told it's a new, fresh direction when it clearly is not (whatever you wanna call it, funky soul, gospel, it's been done before, lots ...); and b. playing 'new' stuff that just isn't even nearly good enough - IMHO of course - almost for the sake of itself; if it ain't broke don't fix it. As has been said many, many times before, there seem to be plenty of 45s still out there that could be reactivated but which never get an airing, usually because they ain't 'funky' or 'uptempo' enough and yet, to these ears, they knock some of this gear into the proverbial cocked hat. At the risk of sounding defensive ... ... as for taking the piss out of anything that doesn't constitute 'normal soul', I apologise if I gave that impression via my perhaps trite Hughie Green analogy. Nonetheless, I think that misses the point - and this certainly isn't a a personal pop at Dave A btw, don't think we even know each other and anyone who owns Soul Inc will do for me - and yet, in another sense, it makes it beautifully. At the further risk of resurrecting [yet another] done to death topic on here and going off at a [albeit related] tangent, there still seems to be a school of thought which infers that if you don't like this particular 'genre' - for want of a better description - and / or think that there's a place at a nighter for anything other than uptempo sounds per se, then you are in some way staid, unprogressive, missing the point and or don't 'get it.' It's all about perceptions of quality in the end isn't it? Inevitably, what sounds fantastic to one set of lugs will make another bleed, that's always been the case and it's that diversity which keeps it fresh isn't it? I've backed mine for thirty + years and will continue to do so; moreover, I have always and will continue to collect right across the black music spectrum, including more 'traditional' northern sounding records. In a nutshell then, I always have and always will be open to new sounds and, inevitably, some I'll rate and others I won't. The one posted on here is, for me, just very, very ordinary and I can't personally see the merit in playing it out. (Again, just my opinion which, in the greater scheme, naturally, ain't worth jack s*it to anyone else and neither should it be). Absolutely fair play to anyone who tries to keep things going forward, all I really ask as a punter is that folk mix it up a bit.

I'd rather hear Hughie Green

No record I've ever owned