Liamgp

From my correspondence with Dave in the early 1980s, I know this is what pissed him off more than anything - the idea that Black artists were only getting their dues after their music was exposed to the wider world by bands like the Stones, Beatles, Animals, Manfred Mann etc etc. But they did have their careers expanded and extended in a lot of cases and were aware of it too - as Muddy Waters famous 'he stole my music but he gave me my name' quote makes clear. But let's be honest the Northern scene has done pretty much the same thing for a lot of Black artists too albeit on a smaller scale - given them an audience and a recognition they might not have otherwise had.

That's Roger Eagle who confirmed that he did indeed do that, although he also said he got on well with the Stones personally.

I've only ever read Jagger talking about people like Alexis Korner as major influences, although Godin certainly helped them get hold of the stuff that they covered evidenced by a letter to Godin from Brian Jones where Jones sends a tape reel as Godin had offered to record some Jimmy Reed tracks for them - which he would have hardly done if he was outraged by their ripping off Black artists.

Yes, and what are the predetermined dimensions and weights that he's supposed to be measuring? I mean are there internationally agreed units for SOUL demos?

No, he played it fairly regularly and at both major and minor venues too.

I thought that too - I doubt it is really mint minus which I regard as only a few plays. He forgot to mention WOL too!

His wife? I tried that once: 'Darling, I got you this record for your birthday. I know you don't collect records but if you don't want it, I guess I'll take it off your hands!' Next stop A&E...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mike-Pedicin-Burnt-Toast-And-Black-Coffee-Northern-Soul-Rare-RnB-/172984277397?hash=item2846aa9995%3Ag%3AS0IAAOSwu0ZaDcod&autorefresh=true&nma=true&si=FwKBQOKmKjOmBfbHIROU9Rr%2Bj1w%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Sold for...£820. Someone is clearly under the delusion that they are getting an original. The seller actually states 'please be aware this is not the original'. Insanity.

Now £205. You'll be sorry...

£170! Flat label, poor quality reproduction of text...oh dear. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mike-Pedicin-Burnt-Toast-And-Black-Coffee-Northern-Soul-Rare-RnB/172984277397?hash=item2846aa9995:g:S0IAAOSwu0ZaDcod

If it IS a counterfeit, it's not exactly wise to spend a lot of time and trouble producing one which will come under extremely close scrutiny by people with a hell of a lot of expertise on the matter.

Not the greatest idea to have a bootleg made up with your name in the run out!

It's not over the top for the Marvelettes. I sold my UK issue copy two years ago for £120, so a clean demo at slightly over twice the price isn't excessive.

It's not listed as sold - ?

£1000 for Little Joe Hinton. Is that a realistic price these days?

Detroit Jr. did THIS version, so may have recorded the more electric one at a later date or is it someone else?

Not forgetting the Little Joe Hinton - my prediction on that £1500. However, for the silliest price - as it's an all time classic (and they seem to fetch the most money right now) - Eddie Holman 'I Surrender' WD - I'll say £500.

Me - if I were him this morning...

Sam Dees is simply not rare enough to justify the price.

It could be much, much, much worse! https://www.discogs.com/Various-Casino-Classics-Chapter-One/release/2925015

I like a lot of 70s stuff but it is very slick and lacks the earthy appeal of the early Stax/Muscle Shoals/Goldwax/New Orleans sound that really gives me the 'feeling'. Just listened to Irma Thomas 'Wish Someone Would Care' again and - yup - I'll take the 60s every time.

Wasn't the Bernie Williams the subject of some equally over-heated bidding war between Manship and Ian Dewhirst in the 70s (I seem to remember reading)?

I actually remember a guy at school showing me this list (or one very like it) and us discussing what the hell was so important about this 'Frank Wilson'! About 1979/80 I imagine...

OK, as I say it is identical to the Monarch press other than the numbering, so clearly from another plant.

You'll be pleased to know he's going to keep it! I am of the opinion that it is a re-press (produced for a variety of possible reasons) but whether made in the early 60s or later I doubt we'll ever know.