Hi All,

Someone today offered me a mint/mint- Morris Chestnut - Too Darn Soulful promo 45. There are two copies. One has the correct labels, while the other has the labels reversed. Both are in beautiful Amy company sleeves. Any idea on value these days?

Also, can anyone please let me know what should be etched in the deadwax? These are in the States, so they are not likely boots -- they looked proper to me.

Many thanks!

Tim

Hi All,

Someone today offered me a mint/mint- Morris Chestnut - Too Darn Soulful promo 45. There are two copies. One has the correct labels, while the other has the labels reversed. Both are in beautiful Amy company sleeves. Any idea on value these days?

Also, can anyone please let me know what should be etched in the deadwax? These are in the States, so they are not likely boots -- they looked proper to me.

Many thanks!

Tim

Here is the Information that I posted in

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This could be explained elsewhere but If it is, I haven't seen it.

I've often wondered why one of the DEMOs has the Labels Reversed so I thought I would check things.

Just a Theory.

I'm not sure if they changed their mind regarding the "PLUG SIDE"

causing confusion with the Matrix or just Human Error & we may never know.

Clearly something Unusual Happened.

I think that when the Bestway Press was made, they probably wouldn't have played it & simply followed the Information Given.

Bestway Press - Labels on Wrong Sides.

I have been Looking at this and believe that the reason the Labels are on the wrong side

is because someone mixed the Matrix Numbers up between the Printers & Pressing Plant.

Clearly printed on the Labels (8008) & (8009) Corresponds with the Information on the Deadwax (8008) & (8009).

However when played the wrong song is in the grooves.

Monarch Press - Labels on the correct sides for each title, but to achieve this the Matrix (8009) on the Label & (8008) in the Deadwax.

Of course the other side has Matrix (8008) on the Label & (8009) in the Deadwax.

Another pointer to this theory is the Monarch Matrix Delta

# 65704 For "TOO DARN SOULFUL"

# 65704-X For "YOU DON'T LOVE ME ANYMORE" Which is the "PLUG SIDE"

Yet the "-X" Denotes the "B Side" on a Monarch Press.

Hi All,

Someone today offered me a mint/mint- Morris Chestnut - Too Darn Soulful promo 45. There are two copies. One has the correct labels, while the other has the labels reversed. Both are in beautiful Amy company sleeves. Any idea on value these days?

Also, can anyone please let me know what should be etched in the deadwax? These are in the States, so they are not likely boots -- they looked proper to me.

Many thanks!

Tim

This Plays The Correct Way A Side 800X9 preceded By A Stamped B And B Side 800 crossed out 9 and then 8 Value About £250 ?? Atb John.

Edited January 17, 201114 yr by mrtag

I've got a spare Amy dog rare issue for sale if anyone needs a copy lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Hi All,

Someone today offered me a mint/mint- Morris Chestnut - Too Darn Soulful promo 45. There are two copies. One has the correct labels, while the other has the labels reversed. Both are in beautiful Amy company sleeves. Any idea on value these days?

Also, can anyone please let me know what should be etched in the deadwax? These are in the States, so they are not likely boots -- they looked proper to me.

Many thanks!

Tim

Hi Tim

Is this from the guy on Ebay. He seems to have a few, he sold one a couple of days ago and then sent out a few second offers to some friends in the states. He also offered them both correct label and reversed. He said he wouldn't ship to the UK !!!!!!! ?

Cheers

Dave

Another pointer to this theory is the Monarch Matrix Delta

# 65704 For "TOO DARN SOULFUL"

# 65704-X For "YOU DON'T LOVE ME ANYMORE" Which is the "PLUG SIDE"

Yet the "-X" Denotes the "B Side" on a Monarch Press.

That reminds me Roger, I've at least two Monarch pressed 45s in which the "X" is on the A side, I can't recall off hand what they are (but I think I've made a note of them).

Maybe it's just a case of another one of those 'anomalies' made at the pressing plant - just a simple mistake by someone there?

According to Popsike there are Bestway pressings of the demo with the labels on the correct sides as well as the more common 'mis-labeled' copies. Tefteller sold one in the last few years.

The only issue listed there appears to be a Monarch pressing. Is there a Bestway pressed issue as well? If issue owners could throw up some scans that would be greatly appreciated.

Also can anyone offer an opinion as to how the Monarch sounds? I had a BW demo with the labels reversed and it sounded magnificent, as their styrene usually did. As a rule their releases often sound much better than most US vinyl. Monarch, as we know, was often responsible for a pretty shoddy product. Their styrene loses its lustre pretty quickly and is very prone to marking easily and getting noisy after just a few plays.

Edited January 17, 201114 yr by garethx

According to Popsike there are Bestway pressings of the demo with the labels on the correct sides as well as the more common 'mis-labeled' copies. Tefteller sold one in the last few years.

The only issue listed there appears to be a Monarch pressing. Is there a Bestway pressed issue as well? If issue owners could throw up some scans that would be greatly appreciated.

Also can anyone offer an opinion as to how the Monarch sounds? I had a BW demo with the labels reversed and it sounded magnificent, as their styrene usually did. As a rule their releases often sound much better than most US vinyl. Monarch, as we know, was often responsible for a pretty shoddy product. Their styrene loses its lustre pretty quickly and is very prone to marking easily and getting noisy after just a few plays.

my issue has the monarch pressing numbers with 8008 for the "too darn soulful " side. With the issue being so rare i would think that the bestway pressings were probably never done on an issue ( unless someone knows better)

my issue has the monarch pressing numbers with 8008 for the "too darn soulful " side. With the issue being so rare i would think that the bestway pressings were probably never done on an issue ( unless someone knows better)

My issue is the same its a monarch press.

Cheers,

Pete

Hi Everyone,

It looks like this chap has sold about 5-6 copies on eBay at various points in the last 2 months, with a combination of correct DJ copies with the proper label on the proper side and the labels reversed.

I had a stall at a record fair yesterday I host, and this chap offered one of each (correct and reversed labels).

I had a chat with someone today that recommended getting the correct label copy but passing on the reversed labels.

Thoughts?

Cheers, Tim

That reminds me Roger, I've at least two Monarch pressed 45s in which the "X" is on the A side, I can't recall off hand what they are (but I think I've made a note of them).

Maybe it's just a case of another one of those 'anomalies' made at the pressing plant - just a simple mistake by someone there?

Thanks John.

Monarch are so accurate with their delta numbers,

it must be a significant event to get the X on the wrong side.

At the time it was probably too late in the process to change things.

Hi Everyone,

It looks like this chap has sold about 5-6 copies on eBay at various points in the last 2 months, with a combination of correct DJ copies with the proper label on the proper side and the labels reversed.

I had a stall at a record fair yesterday I host, and this chap offered one of each (correct and reversed labels).

I had a chat with someone today that recommended getting the correct label copy but passing on the reversed labels.

Thoughts?

Cheers, Tim

yip get the correct label

the grapevine copy plays good enough for me. and its cheap.