Which is the first issue of this record on Dial is it the red label or black?

There is a 3rd variation which is similar to the top one, but has Dial in red text rather than white, which isnt the repro and then theres the W/D

Edited December 18, 201212 yr by John Reed

Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby Dial USA 45-4033 Jul 1966 7" 3

and heres a boot

Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby

Dial USA 45 -4033 Bootleg / Repro 7" 0

is this your variation john

ricky.

are the other two scans re-issues or boots?

the top one is West Coast...delta matrix 62382......at least mine is......

Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby Dial USA 45-4033 Jul 1966 7" 3

and heres a boot

Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby

Dial USA 45 -4033 Bootleg / Repro 7" 0

is this your variation john

ricky.

This was never booted (for the Northern scene) on a red issue, only on a white demo. Unless it's some obscure European bootleg?

Acetates, Bootlegs, Curios

Click to View Label Cat# Date Format Comments Rating Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby

Dial USA 45 -4033 Bootleg / Repro 7" 0

from 45 cat pete,did not mention country of origin.

ricky.

Acetates, Bootlegs, Curios

Click to View Label Cat# Date Format Comments Rating Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby

Dial USA 45 -4033 Bootleg / Repro 7" 0

from 45 cat pete,did not mention country of origin.

ricky.

Correct, was booted on both DEMO pic #479 & ISSUE pic #480 in scan gallery of JM's guide #5

are the two scans that i have uploaded legitimate issues then?

Correct, was booted on both DEMO pic #479 & ISSUE pic #480 in scan gallery of JM's guide #5

I see it but remain unconvinced, when did it come out and where did it come from, thats what I'd like to know...

I have copies both with red lettering/red paper and white lettering/black paper. They are definitely not bootlegs, originated with a Georgia-based jukebox company and the deadwax etchings are all identical.

When DL-9900-1 is placed at 6 o'clock, AT is at 3 o'clock and a 3 (or is it an M?) is at roughly 8 o'clock. On the flip side, DL-10431-11, and the AT and the 3 (or M) are etched.

I have copies both with red lettering/red paper and white lettering/black paper. They are definitely not bootlegs, originated with a Georgia-based jukebox company and the deadwax etchings are all identical.

When DL-9900-1 is placed at 6 o'clock, AT is at 3 o'clock and a 3 (or is it an M?) is at roughly 8 o'clock. On the flip side, DL-10431-11, and the AT and the 3 (or M) are etched.

this red/red copy is what i have too & i agree it is 100% not a boot.

i know the wlp boot because that is waht my ex-girlfriend has, but have not seen a red label boot before, well that i have noticed anyway.

I see it but remain unconvinced, when did it come out and where did it come from, thats what I'd like to know...

Rang John Manship he told me BOOTLEGGED by Bob Catteneo of San Mateo, California in the same year as as the Barbara Lewis - Someday We're Gonna Love Again and James Coit - Black Power he says he knows for certained because he commissiomned all 3 of them to be done. I'm sorta convinced unless you know different.

Got the UK copy, saved me any soul police hassle...

Rang John Manship he told me BOOTLEGGED by Bob Catteneo of San Mateo, California in the same year as as the Barbara Lewis - Someday We're Gonna Love Again and James Coit - Black Power he says he knows for certained because he commissiomned all 3 of them to be done. I'm sorta convinced unless you know different.

Thanks for getting the info but...James Coit was bootlegged in 1978, that red Joe Tex was not around in 1978, the white demo bootleg was. As I say, never seen one before today and I must have had every record every bootlegged on the Northern scene so I don't care what John says, I still remain unconvinced, unless of course this is the worlds rarest bootleg and it was left uncirculated for 25 years...it makes absolutely no sense to get a stock copy of this bootlegged because a thousand were sold on the white demo and after that, no customers left to buy extra copies, it was only a 3 week wonder.

Edited December 18, 201212 yr by Pete S

Having been only 6 years old in 1978, and living in Pittsburgh where my biggest concern in the world was whether or not my neighbor across the street was going to be hit in the chest with roman candles at a Kiss concert (true story), I feel like I'm missing some crucial information here. This is a pretty common 45 and sells for a tenner at best, right? Why would it have ever been bootlegged to begin with? I love the record but what gives?

Having been only 6 years old in 1978, and living in Pittsburgh where my biggest concern in the world was whether or not my neighbor across the street was going to be hit in the chest with roman candles at a Kiss concert (true story), I feel like I'm missing some crucial information here. This is a pretty common 45 and sells for a tenner at best, right? Why would it have ever been bootlegged to begin with? I love the record but what gives?

It was a Wigan thing - it got played at one of the oldies sessions, went down a storm, so someone tried it out on the saturday night and it again went huge, a lot of people had never heard it before, it stayed on the playlist for 3 or 4 weeks and was then bootlegged and dropped immediately. You could also buy it on UK red Atlantic for £2 at the time, that went up to £4!

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NORTHERN SOUL US 45 - JOE TEX - You Better Believe It Baby b/w I believe I'm gonna make it - DIAL 4033 W/D (70's Pressing)

Condition = Ex (Has a couple of lite fingernail marks that cannot be felt or heard - Great sheen - Plays well - About 7 or 8 out of 10)

Classic 60's Northern Soul dancer

This is the lookalike DIAL White Demo vinyl boot from the late 70's made to satisfy demand at the time (was a big oldie at Wigan Casino at the time)

heres a 70s white demo boot,

this could be the one jm had done.

ricky.

The debateable Red issue is definitelty some re-issue, i could buy large quantities of it about 8 years ago. Same as Show me? never thought they where real? But Hey you never know

The debateable Red issue is definitelty some re-issue, i could buy large quantities of it about 8 years ago. Same as Show me? never thought they where real? But Hey you never know

It could have been at some point, but the red copies I have are 100% 60s stock, again, based on the place where I got them.

Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby Dial USA 45-4033 Jul 1966 7" 3

and heres a boot

Joe Tex

A: I Believe I'm Gonna Make It

B: You Better Believe It Baby

Dial USA 45 -4033 Bootleg / Repro 7" 0

is this your variation john

ricky.

My copy of another Joe Tex on Dial with red "dial" label. NOT booted according to JM's 5th edition.

HI ALL JOE TEX did some excellent songs in the 6s/7s, however although 3 made it big on the NORTHERN SOUL SCENE!

"SHOW ME" "YOU BETTER BELIEVE ME" & "UNDER YOUR POWER LOVE" also "CLOSE YOUR DOOOR" orig MOD/SOHO/ RICKY TIC PLAY,(I Don't think it got played much at the WHEEL) However SYSLJFM a perfect CLUB SOUL SOUND, ALL OVER,

the Dial label & JOE TEX are plentiful, & for our Pittsburg brother "better believe it" was big at Wigan first then "show me" the 2 records seemed to go in and out of favour for 4 years "show me" was pressed for no apparent reason! apart from greed, and 95% of the KIDS did not bat an eyelid at the CASINO, Although I was always geared up! the group of promoters DJs took as many liberties with the Kid's, their is a real horrible side to the scene, that existed back then as they made a manufactured scene to print money, however we all moved on, until now, and now it's happening again all the f**kin bootlegs lining those who care little about you or me, all these bootlegs play on week or those who are on the scene cuz it's good, not real understanding or educated into the RARE SOUL SCENE,,

KEEP THE VENUES FREE OF BOOTLEGS IN 2013, DAVE K

It was a Wigan thing - it got played at one of the oldies sessions, went down a storm, so someone tried it out on the saturday night and it again went huge, a lot of people had never heard it before, it stayed on the playlist for 3 or 4 weeks and was then bootlegged and dropped immediately. You could also buy it on UK red Atlantic for £2 at the time, that went up to £4!

Didn't it just.....I still love this.........its fifteen minutes of Wigan fame was all too short!! (...if you know what I mean....)