I can't seem to find a price on this one-sided demo anywhere online, or even a picture of it, or listed anywhere!

I've done a scan of it, i know it looks at bit dirty, but thats just the scanner it's self, it needs a clean.

 

Thanks!

 

Aaron

Dunno, would it be worth anything?  It looks like it's from the 50's?  (Sorry if it's a rocking R&B record I apologise)

Yes

 Deffo worth a bit, didn't know it had come out on British ( I know zilch about British though) Same song as done by Ann Cole, sells well on U.S. Decca - It is one of those rocking, early R & B tunes

 

Des

Is that the actress Sylvia Syms?

 

Whoops - I see there was an American singer same name!!

 

MB

Edited November 28, 201311 yr by MBarrett

 (Sorry if it's a rocking R&B record I apologise)

 

 

 

 It is one of those rocking, early R & B tunes

 

 

Edited November 28, 201311 yr by Barry

Yes

 Deffo worth a bit, didn't know it had come out on British ( I know zilch about British though) Same song as done by Ann Cole, sells well on U.S. Decca - It is one of those rocking, early R & B tunes

 

Des

 

Yes, i thought it only came out on US decca too...i can't find any reference to this demo anywhere, one off print maybe???

 

Aaron

 

Yes, i thought it only came out on US decca too...i can't find any reference to this demo anywhere, one off print maybe???

 

Aaron

 

No, came out on UK Brunswick 05643, 1957, she had at least 2 singles on that label in the UK.  Have you got the other half of the demo?

Edited November 28, 201311 yr by Pete S

No, came out on UK Brunswick 05643, 1957, she had at least 2 singles on that label in the UK.  Have you got the other half of the demo?

other half? It's a one sided demo pete

other half? It's a one sided demo pete

 

Decca / London / RCA / Brunswick /Vogue UK demos from that period are two one sided demos, instead of being a double sided demo.  So they are always getting split up.  You've only got the complete demo if you have both halves, side A and side B.  They stopped this practice in 1960 by the looks of it.

n.b. Have also had Parlophone demos as two x one sided discs

Edited November 28, 201311 yr by Pete S

thats interesting pete, never knew that

 HI ALL....I think Pete is right with the 1960 for the DECCA COMPANY 1 sided DEMO 45, back in the early 7ts when the collecting scene was just starting & the records collected on UK Labels was masonic and by word of mouth only, the whole subject of why they made DEMOS was a science,

 

To be honest, I really can't remember seeing any UK DEMOS before 1970, I am aware that for those people who worked in the music industry such as EMI Hayes. Radio & TV stations & a few DJs had. but not me,

 

Maybe this is why I like the SOUL SOUNDS LABEL so much, even today those 30 records that were put out on the label makes me shudder, in 2013 I have them all plus some DEMOS, & like many collectors I had to find the original issues and then the DEMOS, never had a FAT FISH original US copy, but have the FANTASEY DEMO.

 

Getting back to the 1 sided DEMOS it is worth noting that in the 5os BRUNSWICK UK issued not many black artists, they came out on RCA or LONDON, however I have some DEMOS from 1960 that have BRUNSWICK LABEL on one side & LONDON AMERICAN on the other,

 

The main facts on 1 sided DEMOS are as Pete stated you need both side to have a real collectable, so in our scene having a demo copy of "shop around" is OK, but it's value is only 1/3 of having 2 sides?. as I found out years ago when I had a handful of 1 sided LONDON DEMOS shops like MOONDOGS did not want them,

Why! common sense tells me they are rare, but on the Rock & Roll scene, the collectors would not buy them they wanted original issues, this is the complete opposite to the UK 6ts soul collector, my last point is some I sided records have TRI centres some are solid small hole, not sure why or if it makes a difference in price? 

 

To conclude apart from the SOUL SCENE, 1 sided records are not worth much, only the export DEMOS are collectable to people outside the rare soul scene. but as I say I think they must be worth more than what a dealer will give you?  DAVE K

.... back in the early 7ts when the collecting scene was just starting & the records collected on UK Labels was masonic and by word of mouth only, the whole subject of why they made DEMOS was a science, To be honest, I really can't remember seeing any UK DEMOS before 1970, I am aware that for those people who worked in the music industry such as EMI Hayes. Radio & TV stations & a few DJs had. but not me,  

Dave, you must have started a few years after many other UK soul fans.

We (my mates & I) were collecting UK soul 45's from 1965. Much of what we chased were records we only knew about from hearing in the clubs OR (as you say) from 'word of mouth' recommendations. We couldn't get US import 45's back then (or they were very very rare at least ... though I did pick up a few Euro released soul import 45s from 2nd hand shops in Hull -- a busy port -- in the mid to late 60's).

HOWEVER, at some specialist 2nd hand record shops, from market stalls & in London record shops you could pick up UK demo 45's reasonably easily (if you went looking for them). 

I have a couple of UK Brunswick demo 45's similar to the above Sylvia Sims (nowt special though).

Edited November 29, 201311 yr by Roburt

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Edited November 29, 201311 yr by Roburt

 HI ALL....I think Pete is right with the 1960 for the DECCA COMPANY 1 sided DEMO 45, back in the early 7ts when the collecting scene was just starting & the records collected on UK Labels was masonic and by word of mouth only, the whole subject of why they made DEMOS was a science,

 

To be honest, I really can't remember seeing any UK DEMOS before 1970, I am aware that for those people who worked in the music industry such as EMI Hayes. Radio & TV stations & a few DJs had. but not me,

 

Maybe this is why I like the SOUL SOUNDS LABEL so much, even today those 30 records that were put out on the label makes me shudder, in 2013 I have them all plus some DEMOS, & like many collectors I had to find the original issues and then the DEMOS, never had a FAT FISH original US copy, but have the FANTASEY DEMO.

 

Getting back to the 1 sided DEMOS it is worth noting that in the 5os BRUNSWICK UK issued not many black artists, they came out on RCA or LONDON, however I have some DEMOS from 1960 that have BRUNSWICK LABEL on one side & LONDON AMERICAN on the other,

 

The main facts on 1 sided DEMOS are as Pete stated you need both side to have a real collectable, so in our scene having a demo copy of "shop around" is OK, but it's value is only 1/3 of having 2 sides?. as I found out years ago when I had a handful of 1 sided LONDON DEMOS shops like MOONDOGS did not want them,

Why! common sense tells me they are rare, but on the Rock & Roll scene, the collectors would not buy them they wanted original issues, this is the complete opposite to the UK 6ts soul collector, my last point is some I sided records have TRI centres some are solid small hole, not sure why or if it makes a difference in price? 

 

To conclude apart from the SOUL SCENE, 1 sided records are not worth much, only the export DEMOS are collectable to people outside the rare soul scene. but as I say I think they must be worth more than what a dealer will give you?  DAVE K

 

I think all copies of Shop Around on LOndon demo are double sided Dave, it's Money by Barrett Strong which has two one siders.

_{Out of curiosity here it is, don't get it myself.}

_{Over 30 years ago, I said to friend whilst sitiing on the balcony at MR M's watching the skirts flair up, while they were dancin to Ann D'Andrea}

_{well, I ditch the soul scene when it became like a Rock n' Roll revival:}

 

Not to be confused with the UK actress of the same name.

Sylvia Syms (December 2, 1917 - May 10, 1992) was an American jazz singer.

She was born Sylvia Blagman in Brooklyn, New York, United States. As a child, she had polio. As a teenager, she went to jazz-oriented nightclubs on New York's 52nd Street, and received informal training from Billie Holiday. In 1941 she made her debut at Kelly's Stable

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Edited November 29, 201311 yr by Mick Sway

_{Out of curiosity here it is, don't get it myself.}

_{Over 30 years ago, I said to friend whilst sitiing on the balcony at MR M's watching the skirts flair up, while they were dancin to Ann D'Andrea}

_{well, I ditch the soul scene when it became like a Rock n' Roll revival:}

 

See what you mean.  It's swinging alright but as far removed from Northern Soul as anything I've ever heard.

See what you mean.  It's swinging alright but as far removed from Northern Soul as anything I've ever heard.

Not say that it possibly doesn't have merit in its own genre , each to his own.

 an all that...

Ann Cole's version is similar, neither of which are really played on the "northern" scene, but are quite popular and more importantly for me "sellable" on the "R & B" scene.

_{Out of curiosity here it is, don't get it myself.}

_{Over 30 years ago, I said to friend whilst sitiing on the balcony at MR M's watching the skirts flair up, while they were dancin to Ann D'Andrea}

_{well, I ditch the soul scene when it became like a Rock n' Roll revival:}

 

Not to be confused with the UK actress of the same name.

Sylvia Syms (December 2, 1917 - May 10, 1992) was an American jazz singer.

She was born Sylvia Blagman in Brooklyn, New York, United States. As a child, she had polio. As a teenager, she went to jazz-oriented nightclubs on New York's 52nd Street, and received informal training from Billie Holiday. In 1941 she made her debut at Kelly's Stable

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I guess it probably because i'm into my r&b more than anything, and that is that i mainly collect aswell.

Being quite new on the scene i'm still learning obviously. But these are the sounds i like and have took too me the best

 

I feel i do quite well, and know a fair amount, i do my homework and wellcome everything with open arms...

 

Being only 17, i think i do okay 

 

Aaron

I guess it probably because i'm into my r&b more than anything, and that is that i mainly collect aswell.

Being quite new on the scene i'm still learning obviously. But these are the sounds i like and have took too me the best

 

I feel i do quite well, and know a fair amount, i do my homework and wellcome everything with open arms...

 

Being only 17, i think i do okay 

 

Aaron

Wouldn't want to discourage anyone Aaron, especialy those at the beginging of their journey, good luck to you.

I wouldn't have learned anything myself today, without this post.

Here's a reminder of my earlier follow up comment:

"Not say that it possibly doesn't have merit in its own genre , each to his own.

 an all that..."

Edited November 29, 201311 yr by Mick Sway

For me this R&B stuff is filling a hole in new sounds {to My ears} I went to a modern soul night and didn't get it at all so I find delving a bit into the past puts the fun back into it.

Paul Carver Pyramid??????

 

I got a copy of this the other week, great track full of life and Ronnie Hawkins Sothern Love.

Both not every ones taste but then I don't get all this rare 3 Corners = TSU Tornados sound alike stuff, you go to a club and all the DJ's sound the same, all the records sound the same.

Edited December 1, 201311 yr by Prophonics 2029

I like the Ann Cole version a lot more.

I can't seem to find a price on this one-sided demo anywhere online, or even a picture of it, or listed anywhere!

I've done a scan of it, i know it looks at bit dirty, but thats just the scanner it's self, it needs a clean.

SCAN0021.JPG

 

Thanks!

 

Aaron

Aaron it says 2.44 on the label, is it any longer?? US copy is 2.30O

 

h sorry 2.24so its about the same. 6 seconds shorter.

Edited December 1, 201311 yr by Prophonics 2029

 

 

Thanks prophonics

Nice find, I love finding/seeing oddities like this on British that no-one seems aware of......I'd say value is probably best part of £60 - £70 for that one sided promo.... 

 

A good few years ago, I won a copy of Malcolm Dodds 'Tremble' on a UK single sided demo off ebay for pennies, and when it arrived seller had sent me the flipside demo by mistake, but after realising his mistake he sent on the proper side which gave me the pair......it does helps the sale to have both demo sides and sell as a pair, but doesn't affect value so much if you don't have it.

 

Regards

Mace

I can't seem to find a price on this one-sided demo anywhere online, or even a picture of it, or listed anywhere!

I've done a scan of it, i know it looks at bit dirty, but thats just the scanner it's self, it needs a clean.

SCAN0021.JPG

 

Thanks!

 

Aaron

i like that

 

i love this type of stuff, its another great side to collecting

 

nice find