The beauty of todays scene, what with the internet and all - the information that is at hand (It can't be deemed a bad thing obviously)....or the graft that was involved learning your trade on yesterdays scene?

I read the posts on this board and although I have a solid grounding on tracks that I heard in my time, I'm amazed at the amount of stuff I don't know.

Sometimes though I wonder about hearing and obtaining stuff outside of the all nighter environment, dance floor side - the nitty gritty to me - does that make it a different thing?

Its a bit cryptic mate, not sure what the point is.

I can agree that there is so much to learn in the world of rare soul that its a lifetime thing.

For example, reading through J Manships rare soul price guide, I can honestly say I only know 50% of the tracks at best. Maybe I would know more by listening to them, but the fact remains that after 31 years of interest in this music, I am not even halfway there to considering that I might get the 'chin stroker' status.

I got a book all about 'low rider music' a few years back that describes the formation and output of mainly black soul groups in the early 60s. The information is massive concerning the movement of artists and renaming of groups etc. It would make a great 'trivial pursuits topic' but the point I am making is that the search for knowledge is endless, so join the club and get researching.

Ed

In total agreement with "Tomangoes", I didn't realise how much I'd missed while I was away having my "wilderness years" & probably know less than 50% from JM's books.

My in-law, Gary, is a mainly 70's & modern man so between us we know a bit but some people amaze me with their knowledge. Part of the beauty of the scene though is hearing something & going "this is nice, what is it & who's it by?"

So keep listening & researching but mainly keep dancing,

Spot.

So keep listening & researching but mainly keep dancing,

Spot.

Patto been talking at you again Spot

Whats also very interesting is how much you actually DO know but your unsure how where and why you know it.........its been on vacation

in a far away dark corner of your mind until a question or a situation which needs an answer arrives.

All of a sudden you know the answer and your brand new shiny made to measure Anorack is delivered, patch pockets with flaps, 17inch centre

vent and 15 silver buttons up each sleave

Myself, Malcolm Jackson and Steve (Mastermind) Pilkington won the Cleethorpes W/ender Soul Mastermind in 2000

The above situation arrived and we kicked the arses of the D`J`s and collecters (who really shouldnt be allowed to enter) who were all in mob handed teams of a dozen or more.......we 3 little pigs caned them, and then retired at the top.

What im trying to say is....theres an infinate amount to learn but lots of what we dont think we know could be stored from years back but you dont realise until the situation for recalling it happens.

I've made trips to Detroit throughout most of my adult life, got to know the people in the industry there very well and think I have a good knowledge of what was released in the city. But on every trip I find or someone shows me a record I've never seen before and thats just one city. Just love it and the internet keeps showing up even bigger gaps in my knowledge, just love it.

Which inturn answers the question some ask 'are there any unknown records still to be discovered'

Its a bit cryptic mate, not sure what the point is.

I can agree that there is so much to learn in the world of rare soul that its a lifetime thing.

For example, reading through J Manships rare soul price guide, I can honestly say I only know 50% of the tracks at best. Maybe I would know more by listening to them, but the fact remains that after 31 years of interest in this music, I am not even halfway there to considering that I might get the 'chin stroker' status.

I got a book all about 'low rider music' a few years back that describes the formation and output of mainly black soul groups in the early 60s. The information is massive concerning the movement of artists and renaming of groups etc. It would make a great 'trivial pursuits topic' but the point I am making is that the search for knowledge is endless, so join the club and get researching.

Ed

could you tell me what the book was thanks kim

could you tell me what the book was thanks kim

It would almost certainly have been 'The Old Barrio Guide To Low Rider Music 1950 to 1975' by Ruben Molina

I read the posts on this board and although I have a solid grounding on tracks that I heard in my time, I'm amazed at the amount of stuff I don't know.

Ditto Barry Having handled thousands of 45's / LP's over the years I always maintain that what I know is literally only a few drops in what must be an ocean of available tracks!

Edited November 30, 200717 yr by FickleFingers

It would almost certainly have been 'The Old Barrio Guide To Low Rider Music 1950 to 1975' by Ruben Molina

Spot on, I met Ruben at LA2004 and he was good enough to sign my copy with 'Keep the Faith'.

Its a great book if you can get a copy and highlites the fact that an underground scene existed in the US at the same time as we had the rare soul scene in the UK, but dwelling on the slower side of soul, and in many cases the followers of this genre are chasing the same records as us but for the flip sides.

Some great facts like the Montclairs were named after a fag brand and Lorraine Chandler sung on Eddie Parkers 'Love you baby'.

Ed

Spot on, I met Ruben at LA2004 and he was good enough to sign my copy with 'Keep the Faith'.

Its a great book if you can get a copy and highlites the fact that an underground scene existed in the US at the same time as we had the rare soul scene in the UK, but dwelling on the slower side of soul, and in many cases the followers of this genre are chasing the same records as us but for the flip sides.

Some great facts like the Montclairs were named after a fag brand and Lorraine Chandler sung on Eddie Parkers 'Love you baby'.

Ed

Those replies lads are what I hope to get when I'm here, thanks.

What amazes me is how much you guys can store and recall. Over the years of collecting stuff I liked, stuff I thought I might like, and stuff I got stuck with, I don't think I could name more than half a dozen 45s that weren't either hits or released on CD compilations.

Oddly, I can remember albums.

But not where I put them...