Recently found this 45 in amongst my boxes of 45s:

Men From Macon - Fire Lighter / Soul Of A Man - Charay 89

All the label discogs that I've found list release 89 with a different a side 'East Of Eden'. Anyone shed any light on this particular 45? Will post a sound clip up bit later on, it's a storming funk track!

Adam.

Recently found this 45 in amongst my boxes of 45s:

Men From Macon - Fire Lighter / Soul Of A Man - Charay 89

All the label discogs that I've found list release 89 with a different a side 'East Of Eden'. Anyone shed any light on this particular 45? Will post a sound clip up bit later on, it's a storming funk track!

Adam.

there are duplicated numbers on the label so the discog is not necessarily wrong. sebastian appears to be the guy who knows about this label though.

there are duplicated numbers on the label so the discog is not necessarily wrong. sebastian appears to be the guy who knows about this label though.

Hi Bob,

Yes the numbering for the label is somewhat strange, with about 6 different releases for Charay 60! Looked at a couple of discogs and they give the different variations on certain releases but this one isn't in any of them. Hopefully Sebastian will be able to shed some light on it.

Cheers,

Adam.

PS. Not forgotten about the list of 45s for you...just not got round to it yet!

Hi Bob,

Yes the numbering for the label is somewhat strange, with about 6 different releases for Charay 60! Looked at a couple of discogs and they give the different variations on certain releases but this one isn't in any of them. Hopefully Sebastian will be able to shed some light on it.

Cheers,

Adam.

PS. Not forgotten about the list of 45s for you...just not got round to it yet!

Hi Adam

I tried to find out about a couple of releases

as I had just bought a copy of C-89-A THE MEN FROM MACON

When it arrived it was Vocal / Instrumental.

This article suggests that there is a Salvation side too for C-89, unless I have read it wrong.

>>> BOBBY SKEL <<<

Certainly a strange Numbering System

Edited July 1, 201113 yr by 45cellar

Looked at a couple of discogs and they give the different variations on certain releases but this one isn't in any of them. Hopefully Sebastian will be able to shed some light on it.

Charay 89 was released at least 3 times, maybe even 4 (or more!).

I've seen these three for sale on eBay and on sales lists:

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / East Of Eden

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / Fire Lighter

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man (vocal) / Soul Of A Man (instrumental)

I have only seen the following variation in a label listing and not "in the flesh", so don't know if it exists:

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / Salvation

Such a mess of a discography!

But it is possible to date (to some extent at least) the time of release for the different variations, as for example the "Fire Lighter" issue has got the 3032 Santa Fe Trail address and the later "Soul Of A Man" vocal/instr issue has got the PO Box 11152 address. It seems like they changed to the PO Box address during 1969 (for all Major Bill Smith label - Charay, Soft, LeCam etc.).

Edited September 18, 200816 yr by Sebastian

Charay 89 was released at least 3 times, maybe even 4 (or more!).

I've seen these three for sale on eBay and on sales lists:

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / East Of Eden

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / Fire Lighter

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man (vocal) / Soul Of A Man (instrumental)

I have only seen the following variation in a label listing and not "in the flesh", so don't know if it exists:

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / Salvation

Such a mess of a discography!

But it is possible to date (to some extent at least) the time of release for the different variations, as for example the "Fire Lighter" issue has got the 3032 Santa Fe Trail address and the later "Soul Of A Man" vocal/instr issue has got the PO Box 11152 address. It seems like they changed to the PO Box address during 1969 (for all Major Bill Smith label - Charay, Soft, LeCam etc.).

Thanks Sebastian

This is the reason I believe

CHARAY 89 - Men From Macon - Soul Of A Man / Salvation

May exist, as stated in the Bobby Skel article.

Salvation

• Rita Lee Charay # 101
  
• Robert Thomas Charay #87
  
• Cresa Watson [AKA Carolyn Sullivan?] Charay #90
  
• Men From Macon [AKA Bobby Skel & The Red Ryders] Charay #89
  

Never seen one though.

Possibly where the later Re-Issue came from.

Edited September 18, 200816 yr by 45cellar

Thanks Sebastian,

I've got 'Salvation' b/w 'Black Velvet' on release #100 but have never seen it on any other release...

Adam.

Thanks Sebastian,

I've got 'Salvation' b/w 'Black Velvet' on release #100 but have never seen it on any other release...

Adam.

No;100 soul of a man/salvation Robert thomas with six feet under

No;100 salvation/black velvet men from macon

Is the version Butch plays the Rita Lee version ?.....were all versions officially released ?.

Russ

Edited June 30, 201113 yr by Russ Vickers

Is the version Butch plays the Rita Lee version ?.....were all versions officially released ?.

Russ

Ah well, we'll never know.

Edited June 30, 201113 yr by ken
Might as well not be here, carry on

Ah well, we'll never know.

So,the white/purple text,Rita Lee's, are boots Ken.? No yellow Charay?

So,the white/purple text,Rita Lee's, are boots Ken.? No yellow Charay?

Don't ask me but i would say no not a boot, the yellow one by Cressa is actualy R Lee and if i was her would have had all Cressa's destroyed thats why they are super rare but bogus, later Bill released R Lee to make up for it so proper orig, so there i didn't make any of this up much.

As I have no credibilty to lose I thought I would add my two penneth.

I didn't record serial numbers, but when I sold up, in my collection (on the yellow/green label design) was;

Robert Thomas "Salvation" / "Soul of a man" - no mention of Six feet under as far as I can recall.

Men from Macon "Salvation" / "Soul of a man"

Cresa Watson "Salvation" / can't remember

The Men from Macon and Cresa Watson still had the cover up damage and came from one of the Mecca dj's (though as an intermediary got them for me I'm not sure if it was Colin or Ian). The Robert Thomas was in a Record Corner soul pack. In the 70's the purple/white Rita Lee's were considered to be bootlegs as they only turned up en masse with lots of other Major Bill related cuts didn't they? So, is current opinion that all of those things were originals? i.e. Edie Robin etc? Or am I missing some irony here?

Aound that time I also coveted a Pic & Bill "Talk about love" (?) on the yellow/green Charay label - anyone know whether that ever became cheap as chips?

best,

RB

As I have no credibilty to lose I thought I would add my two penneth.

I didn't record serial numbers, but when I sold up, in my collection (on the yellow/green label design) was;

Robert Thomas "Salvation" / "Soul of a man" - no mention of Six feet under as far as I can recall.

Men from Macon "Salvation" / "Soul of a man"

Cresa Watson "Salvation" / can't remember

The Men from Macon and Cresa Watson still had the cover up damage and came from one of the Mecca dj's (though as an intermediary got them for me I'm not sure if it was Colin or Ian). The Robert Thomas was in a Record Corner soul pack. In the 70's the purple/white Rita Lee's were considered to be bootlegs as they only turned up en masse with lots of other Major Bill related cuts didn't they? So, is current opinion that all of those things were originals? i.e. Edie Robin etc? Or am I missing some irony here?

Aound that time I also coveted a Pic & Bill "Talk about love" (?) on the yellow/green Charay label - anyone know whether that ever became cheap as chips?

best,

RB

The C Watson Butch played at the 100club as no label damage.

As I have no credibilty to lose I thought I would add my two penneth.

I didn't record serial numbers, but when I sold up, in my collection (on the yellow/green label design) was;

Robert Thomas "Salvation" / "Soul of a man" - no mention of Six feet under as far as I can recall.

Men from Macon "Salvation" / "Soul of a man"

Cresa Watson "Salvation" / can't remember

The Men from Macon and Cresa Watson still had the cover up damage and came from one of the Mecca dj's (though as an intermediary got them for me I'm not sure if it was Colin or Ian). The Robert Thomas was in a Record Corner soul pack. In the 70's the purple/white Rita Lee's were considered to be bootlegs as they only turned up en masse with lots of other Major Bill related cuts didn't they? So, is current opinion that all of those things were originals? i.e. Edie Robin etc? Or am I missing some irony here?

Aound that time I also coveted a Pic & Bill "Talk about love" (?) on the yellow/green Charay label - anyone know whether that ever became cheap as chips?

best,

RB

Pic & Bill is also on the Spanish Belter label.,but the mix is not quite right on that release.RE: Rita Lee,i was only asking if they were considered boots or not.With the influx as you say,they were regarded as such.

And like you,i have no crediblity or reputation to lose....

Pic & Bill is also on the Spanish Belter label.,but the mix is not quite right on that release.RE: Rita Lee,i was only asking if they were considered boots or not.With the influx as you say,they were regarded as such.

And like you,i have no crediblity or reputation to lose....

Yeh big influx various Charay recordings,why would anyone want to boot things with odd numbers might as well go the whole hog and put em' all on same numbers with no address, like you see R Lee in every box you come across

Yeh big influx various Charay recordings,why would anyone want to boot things with odd numbers might as well go the whole hog and put em' all on same numbers with no address, like you see R Lee in every box you come across

,Ken not disputing,just trying to estabish a consensus of opinion.There was an influx of Charay stuff at the Mecca..

,Ken not disputing,just trying to estabish a consensus of opinion.There was an influx of Charay stuff at the Mecca..

Me too !!

 

Update, not sure in which order they were Issued.

Finally found a copy.