call me thick, whats the rule of spotting the boot, i had a boot in the past, but i dont think ive seen a real one.

as far as im led to believe there pretty similar.

all in the new manship quide again reinforcing the relevance of it imho in short lenny the origial has -sharp edge run out groove ,two different matrix stamps-one looks like side of the bed [matrix used by mgm]the other a very tiny PES [same as jimmy raye on kkc]-deadwax is 10.70mm wide at the bed stamp and the matrix reads 45-524b note there is no-between the 4 and the b with the 4 looking likea 4 should look.

source manship 5

all the best lenny.

BAZ A

all in the new manship quide again reinforcing the relevance of it imho in short lenny the origial has -sharp edge run out groove ,two different matrix stamps-one looks like side of the bed [matrix used by mgm]the other a very tiny PES [same as jimmy raye on kkc]-deadwax is 10.70mm wide at the bed stamp and the matrix reads 45-524b note there is no-between the 4 and the b with the 4 looking likea 4 should look.

source manship 5

all the best lenny.

BAZ A

cheers mate

cheers mate

ONE OF THE MOST CONVINCING BOOTS EVER DEFINETLY !!!

BAZ A

AS FAR AS i KNEW LENNY THE BOOTS HAVE A FACE ( EYES AND A BEEK)ON THE KARATE FIGURE

THE ORIGINALS DONT?? BLANK FACE

OR SO IM TOLD. IVE SEEN BOTH IF MY GERY MATTER IS RIGHT

GASHER

AS FAR AS i KNEW LENNY THE BOOTS HAVE A FACE ( EYES AND A BEEK)ON THE KARATE FIGURE

THE ORIGINALS DONT?? BLANK FACE

OR SO IM TOLD. IVE SEEN BOTH IF MY GERY MATTER IS RIGHT

GASHER

THERES ONE LIKE THAT HERE

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-Detroit-Norther...1QQcmdZViewItem

THERES ONE LIKE THAT HERE

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-Detroit-Norther...1QQcmdZViewItem

Yep, that looks like my original. No face on heart at ease side, a face on the could it be side.

Edited December 7, 200816 yr by Dezzie Boy

Here is my Copy...

and the other side..

People reputedly play about with the faces on the labels - so watch out

The vinyl markings noted in the post above are the definitive way to verify authenticity.

I have an original and went after a boot on eBay recently, just so I could have both copies in my hands at the same time to check all the details. Then I was going to sell the boot on.

However, I lost the auction on the boot - someone paid 40 quid for it!! - I was gobsmacked

Cheers

Richard

People reputedly play about with the faces on the labels - so watch out

The vinyl markings noted in the post above are the definitive way to verify authenticity.

I have an original and went after a boot on eBay recently, just so I could have both copies in my hands at the same time to check all the details. Then I was going to sell the boot on.

However, I lost the auction on the boot - someone paid 40 quid for it!! - I was gobsmacked

Cheers

Richard

yeah i got about 40 odd for my boot, 6 years ago

Just noticed the example boot in manship guide 5 also doesn't have a face on heart at ease side - so have to agree that the face thing ain't good for telling diff.

However, noticed on manship original example, also on my copy and on the one on ebay that they all have (difficult to explain) a sort of bite out of the black shape to the right of the man at about knee height. Have a look on ebay and you'll see this on the heart at ease side.

Biggray your copy doesn't have this, are you sure its an original?

Edited December 7, 200816 yr by Dezzie Boy

Just noticed the example boot in manship guide 5 also doesn't have a face on heart at ease side - so have to agree that the face thing ain't good for telling diff.

However, noticed on manship original example, also on my copy and on the one on ebay that they all have (difficult to explain) a sort of bite out of the black shape to the right of the man at about knee height. Have a look on ebay and you'll see this on the heart at ease side.

Biggray your copy doesn't have this, are you sure its an original?

Well spotted Dezzie Boy!

Here is the scan of the original from eBay.

I have just checked my own original and it has the "bite out" too as you described (plus all the deadwax vinyl marks etc.).

Cheers

Richard

mines original and has the face on Could it be you which is the A side and no face on the other

mines original and has the face on Could it be you which is the A side and no face on the other

Yes my original one has the same. Face on A side, no face on B side, plus bite out on B side.

Boot also has no face on B side, don't know if A side on boot has a face or not, so not sure if face can be used to distinguish from original.

However, looks like we have 4 originals so far with the bite - cheers Richard. Does yours have this bite out Ted?

This is a close-up of the figure on the Set My Heart At Ease side that I scanned off my copy a couple of years ago, and which I just found again on another site

However, as discussed above, the face and figure details are not a good verifier it seems.

Cheers

Richard

Edited December 7, 200816 yr by Premium Stuff

all in the new manship quide again reinforcing the relevance of it imho in short lenny the origial has -sharp edge run out groove ,two different matrix stamps-one looks like side of the bed [matrix used by mgm]the other a very tiny PES [same as jimmy raye on kkc]-deadwax is 10.70mm wide at the bed stamp and the matrix reads 45-524b note there is no-between the 4 and the b with the 4 looking likea 4 should look.

source manship 5

all the best lenny.

BAZ A

I saw this the other day on an MGM, looks like a flag or section of ribbon but deteriates to two LL's opposed?? on other MGM records.

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by Prophonics 2029

forget the faces, original is stamped mgm like. boot is not.

dave

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by dave pinch

So are they all the same eg demo issue.

the first 2 faced record should appeal to some

forget the faces, original is stamped mgm like. boot is not.

dave

succint but tottally to the point and correct!

BAZ A

forget the faces, original is stamped mgm like. boot is not.

dave

dead right Dave, you gotta just ignore the label completely (many have been tampered with over the years, even the originals).

Also to take into account the shade of the blue (label shades change on all paper labels, on how much direct-light exposure the label has received during it's life) that theory is naive and pointless and cannot be used as an accurate indicator.

The definitive way to authenticate is the VINYL! Which Baz has already previously noted for those who don't have PG5.

The funny little MGM matrix we describe as the BED matrix. Because it resembles a BED with pillow, viewed sideways on. You find these on many MGM pressed vinyl but not all.

The originals vinyl is much thinner also..

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by john manship

Just noticed the example boot in manship guide 5 also doesn't have a face on heart at ease side - so have to agree that the face thing ain't good for telling diff.

However, noticed on manship original example, also on my copy and on the one on ebay that they all have (difficult to explain) a sort of bite out of the black shape to the right of the man at about knee height. Have a look on ebay and you'll see this on the heart at ease side.

Biggray your copy doesn't have this, are you sure its an original?

No its not an Original Dezzie,it has no stamp in the dead wax at all,plus it is very thick vinyl. wish it was orig though...Graham

So are they all the same eg demo issue.

anyone got a mikki farrow demo? i,ve never seen one.

scan please!