Marc Forrest

I am not so sure on Tommy & The Derbys as I recall only four copies on ebay which doesn`t make it really de-rarified in comparison to say the 30 plus copies we have seen of Joe Jama ? Marc

So thats what we have so far: Little Tommy SOS Jackey Beavers "I Need My Baby" Clara Hardy on Tuna Dwight Franklin Foxie Lila Bill Brandon on Tower Al Williams on Palmer Four Tracks on Mandingo Jimmy Delphs "Dancing A Hole In The World" Demo Georgous George on Peachtree SAGE on HEAD Gene Toones Simco Demo Joe Jama Optimum Montclairs Hey You Jackie Day Naughty Boy Carmelita on Carmen Percy Stone on Ram Cashmeres HEM What about Cautions No Other Way Troy Dodds Try My Love surely they can be added as well ?

was there ? Nobody told me...

can`t say I have ever seen one but of course if any artist bought the right to record a jobete tune why shouldn`t there exist an acetate of on for example Bell ? The typical jobete acetates (7" or 10") though were all on plain white labels with identification of tune and company (Jobete).

good call...Joe Jama another strong contender for the list, what do you think ?

yes Jocko, the fantastic John Ellison on lead! And I am sure you heard me playing it in Bamberg in May...if you were not in the Modern Room that moment that is. In case you were, Phil already posted the clip earlier on

Yes, its great isn`t it LOL And you are right, there are still plenty enough titles (which I still don`t have) that are not yet de-rarified enough for that reason LOL !

So far we seem to agree on the following then.... ? Little Tommy SOS Jackey Beavers "I Need My Baby" Clara Hardy on Tuna Dwight Franklin Foxie Lila Bill Brandon on Tower Al Williams on Palmer Four Tracks on Mandingo Jimmy Delphs "Dancing A Hole In The World" Demo Georgous George on Peachtree SAGE on HEAD Gene Toones Simco Demo

By "de-rarified" I mean records that were near to impossible to get, which were for sale maybe only once every two or five years. Just really rare records that you nowadays could buy every month or say at least every six months if you get my point. Not talking about how much money you would need/how much they are worth. Just really on about records that were thought of being dead rare but ebay and the internet proved the opposite. Jimmy Delphs "Dancing A Hole In The World" is another good example...very very rare and then all of a sudden seven copies inbetween nine months on ebay alone. Still not an everyday record but yet by far not as impossible as thought...at least not as a demo

isn`t it good to have "friends"

Thanks for opening my ear to that beauty...what did it used to go for and how much is it now ?

Yes, although after the thread on Soul Source not many more copies were sold in public...strangeley enough Four tracks / Mandingo is another one that springs to my mind ?

And Little Willie...about three now ? On a more serious note, seeing your name involved with this thread all of a sudden I am reminded on Barbara St.Clair to be added possibly to the list ?

........................yes!

Just noticed that a mint copy of Little Tommy closed yesterday at only 822 USD which equals about only 500 UKP. Now as this used to be an impossible want for me from 1988 when I first heard it till when I got what must have been one of the very first copies of this tune that went thru ebay around 1999/2000 this is to me just one example of 45s that used to carry the tag "impossible", "too expensive" etc which over the years and because of ebay really seem to have become much more widely available and because of that defnitely have lost their so-called stardom of being" impossibles" or "only for the choosen few" etc. Some still demand a high price others not. I am sure current economic situation plays its part but I am not so much interested in decreased values and prices in general anyway in this thread, I am much more interested in records that people were thinkin were actually "really rare" but ebay or the net in general prooved them/us wrong. I am starting off with Little Tommy and will add Jackey Beavers "I Need My Baby" and of course the infamous Clara Hardy on Tuna. I am sure there are loads of other titels to be added...anyone ? Marc

I know as I saw you buying it on ebay. Was after we started though Anyway, hopefully one of your DJ mates bought it off you to keep the sound in Burnley.

jump on that plane to Berlin for our anniversary night in July and I will play it (just and onyl for you ) Marc

Sold a spare for 250 UKP ... but that was to a good friend. So I think 400 UKP for the rarer WD still is fair. Will go up I am sure. It`s been a steady tool in my tool box since over a year now and always gets a top reaction from the floor...plus it has an ace deep flipside Thats why I said look out for "Sold Brothers Six" rather then (only) for Soul Brothers Six.... oops, did I let the cat out ? Marc

Note 1: Try Quinvy on here as he had his copy for sale recently Note 2: Quite a serious rare 45, his was one of only three on ebay (as two were the same copy..) Note 3: The WD is rarer Note 4: When looking elsewhere helpful to look out for the Sold Brothers Six as this is what they are called on the label except for the White Demo where the name is spelt correct Note 5: Thats why my WD ain`t for sale LOL Marc "Oh I Need You, Yes I Need You" Forrest

The info I was putting together by using "Off The Record" and the good old Richie Hardin site. And yes, bingo, I got the acetate via Lew. The NYC Jobete office 10" does feature only "One In A Million" by a male group I so far sadly was not able to identify. Marc

Think you will find that the more rarer a record is (or just simply indemand in some cases..) the less condition will have an effect on the price...especially when auctioned I should add maybe.. Marc

as ever you are right Chalky, think thats why the term "EX" was invented back in the day

its been done to satisfy the scenes demand back in the day...funnily enough taken of the bootleg (by Eddie Foster)

For me too LOL Didn`t notice the Soul Spot rel is that much faster though ? Marc

no, they are differently recorded. the volume on the Soul Spot 45 is very low compared to the Eastern release and I seem to remember also other differences. Marc