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THOROUGHLY SPELLBINDING! EVEN OUR HAMSTER SAT WATCHING IT.....WELL, HE IS CALLED "SMOKEY"!

:hatsoff2:HEAR, HEAR, HEAR!!!...I TOTALLY CONCURE WITH MY RIGHT HONOURABLE LEARNED FRIEND, WHILST THE OPPOSITION AS ALWAYS MISINTERPRET THE FACTS....ORDER,ORDER!! TELFORD & WREKIN PARLIMENTARY CANDIDATE

i suspect not, as the bunny sigler lp that contains this and girl dont make me wait, amongst others, appears also on a bronze coloured label, distributed i think by parkways west coast operation. if youve ever noticed the parkway part of the company that housed cameo used two different label designs with different colours because they came from two different plants. as for why this unusual colour scheme was applied, i dont know....the next person to step up to the plate to provide an answer to that will be john manship, i suggest.

just goes to show...you cant keep a good "cult" down....northern soul has OUT-FASHIONED, OUT-STYLIZED AND OUT-TRADITIONALISED EVERY OTHER MUSICAL GENRE. IT DOSNT HAVE TO GO UNDERGROUND TO PROTECT ITS SANITY AND SALVATION AS IT MAY HAVE DONE IN THE LATE 70'S/EARLY 80'S. the fact is undeniable, any other musical advancement as magnetic as 60's uptempo soul/dance music is NON-EXISTANT. ....THE TRAGEDY OF TODAY'S YOUTH CULTURE AND THE LAST 2 1/2 DECADES......LEARNED NOTHING......GOT NO ROOTS. WRITE JUNK, PRODUCE JUNK, LISTEN TO JUNK.....MINISTRY OF SOUND?...DRUGGED-UP JUNK.....FOR REAL "R & B" READ: NORTHERN SOUL!! SORRY IF I SOUND ANGRY WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS, THE COMPENSATION IS, THAT MAGAZINES OF ALL CALIBRES ARE TURNING TO OUR SCENE TO TALK ABOUT MUSIC THEY CAN RELATE TO, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY MUST FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT WHAT I AM STATING OR ANY OTHER SOULIE, FOR THAT MATTER....ITS THE ONLY MUSIC ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET WORTH LISTENING TO AND LENDING PRINTED MATTER TO.

DO YOU KNOW, HAVING WITNESSED A SOLEMN OCCASION AS WAS MAX MILLWARD'S FUNERAL ON WEDNESDAY LAST, SOMETHING WHICH WILL RESONATE PROFOUNDLY FOR MANY YEARS YET, IT IS IN THE HANDS OF SOULSOURCE TO LIFT MY SPIRITS AND, I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE WILTED IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES CATCHING UP ON THIS THREAD, UNDER THREAT OF THE DEADLY BELLY-LAUGH AT THE ACRIMONY WHICH HAS BEEN FLUNG WITH GAY ABANDONMENT FROM ALL QUARTERS....ONLY THE TEAR DUCTS HAVE FAILED TO REACT!. ONLY US BRITISH COULD ARGUE SO VOCIFROUSLY AMONGST EACH OTHER, YET, I THOUGHT THIS PAST TIME WAS LIMITED TO NICKY CAMPBELL OR VICTORIA DERBYSHIRE'S ANTAGONISTIC PHONE-INS ON 5 LIVE..THOSE ARE TWO PRESENTERS WHO THRIVE ON SHOWING RED RAGS TO OBLIGING BULLS. THE VAST MAJORITY WHO ARE WAVING THEIR WHITE PAPERS ACROSS THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE HERE, ARE, ON THE WHOLE, I SUSPECT AROUND MY AGE ( SLIGHTLY YOUNGER - SLIGHTLY OLDER), HERE!, HERE!.....YES, IT REMINDS ME OF THE PMQ'S, WEDNESDAY LUNCHTIMES AS WELL!!. ITS BEEN SAID ABOUT GROWING UP....WELL FROM A PHYSICAL AND METABOLIC POINT OF VIEW WE ALL HAVE OR ARE, AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO...ITS THE LOGICAL THING ISNT IT, OUR INTUITION SETS US APART FROM EACH OTHER AS MUCH AS OUR DNA. WE'LL NOT STOP ARGUING OVER THIS FILM'S MERITS WEATHER WE WATCH IT OR NOT, AND IF WE LIKE IT OR NOT....AT THE END OF THE DAY ITS JUST A FILM. OUR CAPACITY TO ARGUE IS UNQUENCHABLE, OF THAT THERE'S NO DOUBT, BUT TO WHAT END HERE?. THE VERY FACT THAT SOMEONE HAS ENDEAVOURED TO JUST " MAKE A FILM" REPRESENTATIVE OF A PHENOMENON MANY OF US ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, SHOULD BE GIVEN THEIR DUE, HOWEVER BEGRUDGING AND PERHAPS WITH THE QUOTE " WELL, AT LEAST YOU HAD A GO". NO, I HAVENT SEEN THE FILM YET EITHER, JUST SELLING OUT THOUGH, SAYS IT HAS AROUSED A MODICOM OF INTEREST, IF IT DOES GET A CHANCE TO REACH MORE OF THE INDEPENDANT ART HOUSES I WILL GO-SEE OR FAILING THAT, THE DVD AS IT SURELY MUST. IN THE 70'S I QUEUED ROUND THE BLOCK FOR " ENTER THE DRAGON" - LIKE SO MANY SOULIES DID....YES? ( UNASHAMED) BECAUSE IT WAS "CULT" I DIDNT ALIGNE WITH "GREASE" OR "SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER" BUT AGAIN THEY WERE "CULT"..... AND WHAT ABOUT "QUADROPHENIA"? ANOTHER IMAGINATIVE TAKE ON A VERY REAL SCENE THAT PERHAPS SOME EVEN OLDER SOULIES CAN RELATE TO , AND ANOTHER "CULT" FILM. LOVED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS, AND FOR ALL THEIR MISGIVINGS AND CRITISIZMS, STILL ADAPTATIONS THAT HAVE RESONATED OVER THE YEARS FOR THEM. SO LONG AFTER THIS FILM HAS BEEN CONSIGNED TO THE HOME LIBRARY, IT WILL HAVE DONE WHAT IT HAD INTENDED, EVEN WITH ALL THE ARGUING...IT WILL HAVE ADDED THE TERM NORTHERN SOUL TO BRITISH FILM ARCHIVE WHERE ONCE IT WAS JUST FOUND IN THE OXFORD DICTIONARY. AS A FOOTNOTE: PLEASE KEEP THE COLOURFUL METAPHORS FLOWING, PERHAPS SOMEONE SHOULD ADVISE MESSR'S CAMERON AND CLEGG TO REGISTER HERE AS THEY MAY CONTRIVE SOME COLOQUIAL PHRASES TO SPICE UP THEIR LUNCHTIME BATTLES WITH THE OPPOSITION!

BY ECK OWD UN' THA'LL BE AVIN' T' LEVER OPEN TIL, NA THEN.....SPENDTHRIFT!!

mike, do you think you could look into that and try and get some confirmation?, it dosnt appear anyone's denying that the sat 5th december gig went ahead. if winstanley or anyone to do with the management passed on even so much as a message,its possible that could be the reason why so many attended. ironically, it would look exactly like a monthly bill just like in wigan's heyday a few years earlier.....oldies all-nighter then regular saturday nighter but.....i have been hearing that the friday didnt take place EVEN though it was advertised in BE, because tiffs had been arranged to clash with it. for the sake of putting the record straight, this needs sorting out: WAS THERE A FRIDAY OLDIES ALL-NIGHTER OR NOT? AND DID SATURDAY 5TH RECIEVE ANY PROMOTION? rob.h

dave, i mentioned in the original post that december 4th, an oldies all-nighter didnt take place despite its advertisement, but what you are saying contradicts this, although it was advertised in BE. having read replies so far, no-one appears to have an explaination as to why there was an all-nighter at the casino, on the following night 5th december AND how a 1000+ people heard about it and thus, attended it. there must be someone out there who can confirm THIS actually happened as well....but more curiosly, WAS it actually advertised by any means in a short space of 24 hours?. wigan tiffs was booked to deliberately clash with the friday 4th gig. richard and ginger also went on to run successful gigs in both burnley and todmorden around this time. marshall and winstanley secured a few dates from september onwards, but it appears they were not weekly and despite october and december for some strange reason, there is no recorded evidence of an all-nighter taking place in november, even given their desperate exploitation of a legal loophole that the council had overlooked. even though the building was unsafe and dilapidated, they still went ahead with the last death throes and as such it most definitely wasnt a fitting end, given that they had already conned everyone back on sept 19th....but a 1000 soulies would probably want to argue that case!!.....so it leaves an unanswered question even now.....unless the dustbin already knew he was going to run saturday as well and told the friday crowd the good news.....JUST HOW DID THOSE 1000 SOULIES FIND OUT ABOUT DEC 5TH?.

sorry nev, its already called frankie & benny's!!

buggar me sheldon, dont start the bhoy off again, you know what he's like with chapter 5!!. incidentally, someone mentioned about tyrone davis singing his name on several songs and so did eddie parker.....so how many others repeat that message?.....THATS A GOOD TIE-IN TO THIS THREAD.....WHO HOLDS THE RECORD FOR MENTIONING THEIR NAME THE MOST ON SINGLES,LP'S ETC.?

here's one for the anoraks amongst you.....the final all-nighter, that never should have been, took place on december 5th, 1981....the all-nighter ( an oldies one) that was scheduled for friday 4th december NEVER took place. the casino was orignally scheduled to finish on september 2nd but due to a loophole at the council planning department, messers winstanley and marshall got a stay of execution, thus with the building in a dilapidated state the casino meandered on. advertising records at the british library, which contain the only existing and entire collection of the weekly scribe of the time, BLACK ECHOES, show that an ad was placed for the aforementioned oldies all-nighter, but when it came to pass that a rival all-nighter was going directly up against them, the management switched to the following saturday. here's the conundrum....bearing in mind BE was already carrying the ad for an oldies night,....and with BLUES & SOUL being a monthly issue...WHERE, IF ANYWHERE AT ALL, was the saturday night advertised?. the main protagonists, mr. winstanley and mr. searling have no recollections of it and, after 39 years, who could possibly blame them. the fact is around a 1000 people attended on that saturday evening so, how did they find out? through local radio?.....local daily or national paper?.....or simply word of mouth?....no BE or B & S promotion. JUST WHERE WAS IT ADVERTISED AT ALL?

yes, seen it but a great part of our musical heritage and a fantastic tribute to chris blackwell and the many artists, he gave a break to

DAVE.E AT THE CASINO YES.....GREAT VERSION ON 12" AS WELL BY SOME OTHER ARTIST CIRCA 80 CANT REMEMBER NAME

OOOH,......( SHARP INTAKE OF BREATH & CHIN STROKE).....DONT KNOW ABOUT A TENNER STEVE?,....NOT EVEN IN THE 70'S....BOOT FOR 50P YES BUT ORIGINAL?...TKAE A RAIN CHECK ON THAT.

little scotty tune......GOOOOOOOO.....ONNNNNN!!!

ACTUALLY.... THERE IS ANOTHER VERSION.........THOUGH, AND HERE'S THE CRUNCH.....ITS NOT ON MOTOWN IN 1979 A U.K. GROUP CALLED THE YACHTS DID A PUNK RENDITION!

ACTUALLY, BECAUSE ITS A WHITE ARTIST AND ITS SUNG "WHITE" WITH LYRICS THAT ARE NOT TYPICALLY BLACK SOUNDING.....IT WOULD HAVE SUITED CHRIS CLARK DOWN TO THE GROUND....SO MAYBE WHEN YOU APPEARS HERE NEXT, SOME BRIGHT SPARK MIGHT LIKE TO SUGGEST HER HAVING A GO AT IT......YES?.....ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT?. ANOTHER REASON IS, AND YOU MUST ALL REMEMBER THIS, NO-ONE KNEW SHE HAD COVERED FRANK WILSON'S ANTHEM....UNTIL THE 80'S AND, AS SOMEONE HAS ALREADY MENTIONED, THE BACKING TRACK WAS CARVED A FEW YEARS AGO SO THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH SUPPLYING THE ORIGINAL MUSIC?. ........JUST IMAGINE THAT AT PRESTATYN.......BRING THE HOUSE DOWN OR WHAT?!.

Y...... HOWS THAT CHALKS?

first proper soul night i went to was around 1972 at the long acres pub in willenhall, as did a good many from secondary school at the time! those who were older than us were already frequenting the torch and the cats but the acres was the place where these people learned to dance and we, as the next generation went along to watch and learn and eventually we made the transition to wigan and the mecca. even the djs bought tunes back from the torch or from max in wednesfield. bob relf, cooperettes, just bros, travis wammack, robert knight, billy butler, o'jays, johnny jones, shakers, guy darrell, johnny sayles, trammps, bob wilson, sam & kitty, rose batiste, timothy wilson, triumphs, rufus lumley......the list is endless, my initiation....a drug of the best kind....you cant shake it off.....its enduring. the postscript to this is tinged with irony....i made an unexpected pass by the old building that had been closed for many years, just recently and to my astonishment it has re-opened and as we speak, will be hosting nolan porter in a matter of weeks at a gig being promoted by my old mate, steve powell. nolan was due to have met up with max and chalky and was contemplating a fishing session as chalks has posted....the longacres is a venue that as far as i can remember max never played, but im sure had he made the date, he would have been there, giving nolan a big hand. one of the best dancers to grace the venue was a man,i, personally never met but only heard about, jerry stack. i was only told that he was one of the top dancers at the torch as well. rob.h

if you pay attention to the interview with richard "pistol" on the SITSOM dvd, he quite clearly states whose trademark drumrolls were who's. this inevitably, for me anyway, suggests it was benny benjamin and it was 1965.....couldnt see stevie wonder doing it either. with all the literal paraphenalia we have at our disposal, it appears we have come up short with a concise dictionary of who played on what....can you believe that after 50 years?. and we'll never answer it because in the early years motown simply didnt have time to create an inventory of so many productions when they were searching for the next hit. sadly that applies also, to all the none hits, the tracks consigned to the vaults...and with many musicians now gone, who could maybe have shed light on our enquiries, we can only summise. rob.h

chalks, a big thanks to you, nolan, neil and gaz for such a touching tribute last night, can i tell you that our friends, rona and kenny.b were tuned in at my behest in edinburgh last night as were many, many other people....those who knew him, those not...it dosnt matter, he touch people's lives in a broad sense of the term and for this we owe him a great debt of gratitude. went round to see kenny onions yesterday and he is bearing up....now the bewilderment and emptiness can be corrulated into one big showing of strength and solidarity as we prepare to gather together for a celebration of max's life. once again, you did him proud and i know he is proud of you. rob,h

well, strictly speaking, we assume its a boot, but......that may not actually be strictly true as it was produced by ron murphy and being as both he and popcorn have passed away, technically we have no varification that it was a legit reissue or otherwise.

hi ezzie, just thought you might like to know, this is an old catacombs record

i was talking to ken earlier this evening about photographs featuring max, i suppose many of you out there have pictures of him, mostly the kind that announce "this is me with the legend!", having been a fixture at prestwich for a number of years, i was well chuffed when terry davies asked max to come and play a set at the longfield suite. this was off the back of terry appearing at goodyears some months earlier and being introduced to our lad then. i know terry appreciated the experience of a veteran showing he had lost none of his sparkle, exuberance or style and naturally entertained the dancers like water off a ducks back. it capped it all for me taking a photo on stage, max with his closest entourage...j.p. and ken. i also have the pics of max with ginger at prestwich and goodyears. i got a lot of pleasure being able to introduce tim brown to max as well at trentham gardens and, funnily enough i was also speaking to tim about him tonight and he remarked what a likeable guy he was on that occasion. probably my most poignant picture of all....is one i also took at goodyears about 7 years ago, that of max standing by the host of sales boxes, one arm round derek allen...thats a choker....another all-round good egg too long gone, two of the nicest, most unassuming blokes you could ever wish to meet. .......theyre upstairs now spinning, and guess what?.......ITS SOUL HEAVEN!