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The "Leaving Detroit" Carl has played for years, at least since the days of the Dome, played as Frank Foster I think if memory serves me correctly? -
Jeff Lemlich did say something and read bit elsewhere but seen little else.
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the guy was selling this on ebay for a couple of years or so, well into three figure quantity found?
Paul Kelly discography and brief bit about Paul at courtesy of Barry Fowden at https://www.soulcellar.co.uk/paulk/PaulKelly.html
A great turn out for a great man. Many from far and wide came to show their love and respect for Gary. Really good send off and celebration of Gary's life in the Canal Tavern afterwards. Bye for now mate, you're going to be missed. R.I.P.
Tucked away on the Ace subsidiary and sister label to Kent is a Funk compilation by Dean Rudland that may have slipped under the radar of many. Titled Royal Grooves the compilation is made up of 23 tracks from the famed Cincinnati King label. Funk might not be to everyone's taste but the cd does contain some great vocal performances, Barbara Burton and The Messengers and Willy Wiley's early 70's outing "Just Be Glad" two personal favourites. Gloria Edwards should need no introduction with the excellent (Need Nobody To help me) Keep up With My Man" and Connie Austin and the superb "Ball Of Fire" two more artists that should be well known to the wider Soul Scene and to the Northern Soul Scene, the same also for the Coasters with a funked up latin take of "Cool Jerk". Overall the cd is an excellent introduction to this genre and more than worth the 10 or 11 quid it will take to purchase. As you would expect from all ACE releases there are comprehensive sleeve notes from Dean Rudland, I would pay for the sleeve notes as they are always a really good and informative read. I do wish Ace/Kent and the related labels would put a book out containing the sleeve notes of all the releases, it would be essential reading and a great history of some of soul musics greats as well as the many lesser known soul artists that have played their part in R&B and Soul Music. Here is what Dean says about the release; In the late 60s King Records was in the midst of a funk revolution. This upheaval was spearheaded by James Brown who, on his return to the label in 1965, after a couple of years away, had changed the course of music with the groundbreaking single ‘Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag’. This may not have been pure funk but it was certainly a large step towards it. Over the course of the next two years he honed the style until he stormed to an R&B #1 position (and Top 10 Pop) with ‘Cold Sweat’, the opening salvo in a torrent of hits that marked him indelibly as Soul Brother #1. He became the only artist that really counted at the label. If King wasn’t releasing records by Brown himself, they were releasing the work of his entourage, or records that were trying to sound like him. King became the home of funk with a healthy dose of soul and the label never really recovered when he left to join Polydor. “Royal Grooves” examines this latter period of King’s existence, from the glorious point in the late 60s when the money from their most successful artist allowed a vast array of records to be made and released, to the desperate search for the next big thing in the early part of the next decade."¨"¨The collection contains James Brown productions by Wendy Lynn, Kay Robinson and Leon Austin which have had collectors salivating for years, and even harder to find unrelated 45s by artists such as Elaine Armstrong, whose ‘Sad But True’ has only recently made it onto the radar. We also have a spectacular single by the Brownettes (previously and subsequently known as the Jewels) and a couple of 45s from the Indiana funk-masters the Presidents. If you’ve heard King Coleman’s ‘Boo Boo Song’ and thought it was a mindless novelty, you have the chance to check out ‘Pt 2’ and change your mind. "¨"¨From the post-James Brown period we have the Coasters with their latin-ised version of ‘Cool Jerk’ and the wonderful Texas soul of Gloria Edwards. Best of all is Barbara Burton & the Messengers who as the Messengers Unlimited and with Sonny Morrison as lead singer released the rare “Soulful Proclamation” album. For their one single on De Luxe Barbara was put upfront on ‘Love’s Sweet Water’, a smouldering funk masterpiece. "¨"¨King was a label of many facets and we try to cover most of them here. This is high quality soul and funk. "¨"¨By Dean Rudland CD Description: * In the late 60s King Records were buoyed and inspired by their number one artist James Brown. The recordings that went down at their Cincinnati headquarters were a vibrant expression of funk & soul captured in BGP's 23-track compilation. * Many of the tracks BGP have selected had direct James Brown involvement. Productions by him or his team include the super-rare single by the Brownettes, Clay Tyson's proto rap `Man On The Moon', the brilliant Wendy Lynn's `I Can Remember' - direct from master tape. In addition we've included classics by Kay Robinson, Hank Ballard, King Coleman and Leon Austin that have become increasingly difficult to find. * Pure funk by Kastle, the Presidents and Bill Doggett show the funk influence went further than James Brown and his crowd. BGP are especially pleased to be able to include a couple of super-rare singles issued on DeLuxe: `Do What You Wanna Do' by Frank Howard & The Continentals and Barbara Burton & The Messengers' `Love's Sweet Water'. This is so rare that it may never have been issued officially and it's such a great piece of groovy soul. Buy the CD: Buy from Ace Free delivery in the UK Listen to a sampler of tracks 4, 12 &14: http://soundcloud.com/chalkster/royal-grooves-sample 01. Getting Down With Hoss - Kastle 02. Love's Sweet Water - Barbara Burton And The Messengers 03. Lord Will Make A Way (Pt1) - Kay Robinson 04. Sad But True - Elaine Armstrong 05. Baby Don't You Know - Brownettes 06. Somewhere Down The Line - Albert Washington 07. Shoe Shine (Inst) - The Presidents 08. Do What You Wanna Do (Pt 1) - Frank Howard & The Continentals 09. Man On The Moon - Clay Tyson 10. Steal Away - Leon Austin 11. I Can Remember - Wendy Lynn 12. You Keep Me Hanging On - Bonnie & Sheila 13. Ball Of Fire - Connie Austin 14. Just Be Glad - Willy Wiley 15. (Need Nobody Help Me) Keep Up With My Man - Gloria Edwards 16. Cool Jerk - The Coasters 17. Peter Rabbit - The Presidents 18. Looking For A Woman - Robert Moore 19. The Boo Boo Song (Pt 2) - King Coleman 20. Unwind Yourself - Hank Ballard 21. Shoe Shine - The Presidents 22. Wet & Satisfied (Tk 5) - Bill Doggett 23. Push And Shove - Willy Wiley http://acerecords.co.uk
Benji is right. Black print on yellow label is as far as I know the boot. Original is blue print.
I don't disagree really John but eBay/Popsike the range in prices at times can be enormous and the dates from long ago and therefore not really relevant to the present day prices. An auction can often be two lunatics with no common sense. There's several dealers who have lived on what they have bought off ebay, a quick search can often locate a cheaper copy. As for prices, there are overpriced records wherever you look, in boxes, on lists, on the Internet, on eBay. The same can be said on here but by the same token I've had plenty of bargains off here too, the expensive one if it is one I want I either ignore or try and negotiate a deal, if an agreement can't be reached I move on, I don't spout off on the sales topic it is overpriced, bad etiquette IMO.
Fab. Peps MLLGOY......crossover? you're having a laugh...
I can't believe some of you think I am being vocal because I listed A DJ FOUR months ago for Andy Dyson. It either sold because someone was happy with the price or it didn't cause it was too expensive The only reason I said anything is for what I said in my first post, people commenting on peoples sales topics. The price someone lists a record for is nothing to do with anyone else, the market will decide.
You can't compare records to cars, too many factors affect the price of a record, condition, demand, supply, what Dj is playing what etc etc. I also finds it strange you can't accept a price of a record traded between a dealer and a buyer in a venue. It is far more reflective of a true value than any popsike listing. I don't think there is anything wrong with the price of the records in question, they certainly aren't 3 or 4 times their value, far from it. You can normally tell when someone is chancing their arm but they are the minority, I don't think whoever is selling these two records in question is. As for distorting the market, so is selling records cheap because a dealer can't afford to hold onto them, that is just as bad IMO and I know of other dealers who agree. When you've been around records for the years many of us have, and you know what is happening in the venues, then you are pretty clued up about prices and can take into account supply and demand. As for what people put in their signature I don't really care and take no notice cause most don't live by what they say....I'm not implying mellytee doesn't though as I haven't read what is in her signature.
There was a Dewey Jeffries in 2005 for $870 and one in 2007 for $200. Just 5 in total on Popsike with the average price much more than $100 or so. It's ok quoting prices when there was some out there but history tells us when a source dries up the price goes up, Clara Hardy, Four Tracks etc etc. There was a source as Flanny says that has since dried up, I've also seen them in boxes at nighters and know of them sold for around the 250 mark in recent times. If anything the price I've seen listed simply reflects the supply out there and if any consistency the price will only rise, particularly if it gets more attention from DJs and demand increases. You shouldn't take Popsike as gospel either, there are other market indicators out there other than Popsike.
For the benefit of those who are unclear what I have said is my own personal view and nothing to do with site policy or from a moderators perspective. Whilst I am still involved with the site I am no longer a moderator of the forums as such.
Noting personal at all Steve, I would say the same about anyone doing the same. You just seem to be making a habit of commenting on prices sellers are quoting...and I didn't say every price. Now if you are potentially saving someone 50% then fine but in most cases you simply are not saving anyone anything. What I have said is my own personal opinion btw and nothing to do with site.
Yes they should but he's not putting buyers in the direction of one half the price is he? already been told he is off his rocker regarding one, now if he can give us a link to a Dewey Jeffries for sale right now at half the 250 quid it is advertised at then he won't be totally off his rocker. What would happen if a sale is scupper end by someone spouting off about prices and he's priced wrong? Are they gonna offer compensation to the seller for f*cking up their sale? I somehow doubt it.
To comment on the actual sales topic and then to open a separate topic discussing the price of said record, will do nothing but scupper the potential sale. Why is his price more valid than the actual sellers price? Does he know of every sale, what's happening at soul nights and nighters, who is playing what et?, of course not so he can't take into account demand, what is selling and what isn't. I know full well price is a major part of the scene but Ernie seems to have taken it on his own back to be some sort of price accessor on here commenting all too often about sellers prices. Like I said the market will decide if a record is too expensive, if it is it won't sell.
He commented on the topic, not for the first time either. He makes comments on a regular basis about members sales prices. Maybe he should become the sales Tsar, everyone run their sales prices past him for an ok?
How many times are you gonna potentially ruin someone's sale. Again yesterday or the day before you commented about a price on someone's sales topic. It is in the sales guidelines that you don't comment on someone's topic yet you seem to be exempt from this. If a record is priced too expensive it won't sell, it's as simple as that and the seller will have to readjust his or her price. If someone is happy to pay that price what does it have to do with anyone else? Supply and demand! Just like any other commodity. What do you base your pries on for all these records that are over priced, allegedly? The market will decide if something is overpriced.
spidells was an issue as well.
There is.... https://offliberty.com/
£100 to £150 at a guess although the one you heard me play was an issue and usually see demos when you see it. It Hurts, last one I saw was £125 I think.
What is it? Many of us on a mobile device can't play flash videos so if you put the record details in the post it might help.
Here's mine if anyone interested.... https://www.mixcloud.com/Chalkster/
