Chalky

Think what some are saying crossover rooms didn't exist back then and the records were played in a full on Northern/60's rare Soul venue, not disputing what catagory you would put them in now, well some maybe as they aren't what I'd call crossover. Chuck Cockerham is the main one and credit being given elsewhere when in fact it came from the Northern/Rare Soul DJ's. LIke you I like reading these topics, they create plenty of discussion do make you revisit tracks you've not heard for some time.

He had the occasional one from left field, one not really what you would call a Guy spin, Matt Brown -Sweet Thing another.

I remember Chuck Cockerham being played in Northern Rooms in mid 80's, before crossover was ever mentioned. Cliff Steele being the main one I remember spinning it.

Anyone got a decent photo of Martha, this is best I can find right now.... some info posted on Soulful Detroit courtesy of Martha's sisster Ruth... Martha (Shamley) was born in 1945. Her and her older sister (Ruth) was raised by their grandmother. Martha went to St. Francis elementary school, Sterling High School outside Greenville South Carolina. She started singing when she was 12 in the choir at Sweet Canaan Baptist church.Martha started singing in her church and they would travel around to other country churches and sing there. She made a gospel record there in South Carolina. In 1964 Martha went to Michigan with her older sister after their grandmother died. They moved there because they knew there was better opportunities. In 1969 she went to Ford Motor Company, but she still did her music, didn't give up her singing career at all. Martha started singing at Mull's bar on Joy road, near Grand River. She met Dennis Edwards and they started singing there, on weekends. After she left Mull's bar she sang at the 20 Grand, went to Motown with Berry Gordy. After her and Dennis split up, he went with the Temptations, Martha Ann went to her mam & dads studio on Grand River across from Northwestern High school. There she sang with Steve Mancha, Marvin Gaye and Emanuel Lasky. Martha Ann was a backup singer for Marvin Gaye, and she also sang backup with Marv Johnson too. Around the time she started working at Ford, '68 or '69 Martha started getting pains in her chest that hurt her when singing. She worked on the line and painted cars, and did other things. In 1975 she relocated to California. Martha Ann passed away in 2002. She never got married.

can you please just edit your original post and not reply "hold" or "sold", surely you've seen all the other comments in sales about this? If not can you read the pinned topics at the top of the sales forum, when you have done so PM me and will reopen your topic. Thanks Chalky

either way you look at it it's irrelevant, just one bid counts the winning one. I personally wasn't too surprised to be honest it went so high, it is a rare record and not all collectors are after the "quality" as some seem to be, I personally think the quality is right up there.

Just got in and had a listen and was about to get back to you but you've already sussed which is which. I've said all along (for years) Martha and Cressa versions the same female singing Presume it is the same Martha Starr we know from Detroit.

Can't remember, need to listen again.

It was covered as Jimmy Georgetown as far as I'm aware Russ, what I always thought anyway.

Martha and Cressa are the same singer to my cloth ears. Difference between the two is the break or lack of it in one or t'other.

but it wasn't without 2nd high bid so totally irrelevant arguement. Thats like saying if buyer "A" had Pm'ed you first for one of your sales instead of buyer "B" then buyer "A" would have bought it Regardless of personal taste (I actually like it) it is a very rare record, seen more JB Bryant than Bill Dennis.

$1631 is just over £1k. Listed one for Andy around that figure a while back.

others are... Les Chansonnettes = $1631.24 Epsilons = $253.26 Jimmy Armstrong = $262.01 Leroy Taylor = $249.39 Lin da & Vistas = $242.75

someone not quite so clued up could get shafted though if they wanted the record and just went ahead and paid. For what it is worth the record is indemand again and getting harder to come by, I'd be surprised if you got one for three times less than the Gemm seller. If I was Matt I'd get the one Flanny selling for a decent price IMO. Used to be a cheapie but price is only going up on this.

and with the seller having an overall performance rating of 4.4 out of ten and a customer satisfaction rating of 90% would you buy from him?

someone else asked does it use the backing track of The Fantastic Four's 'Girl have Pity'? I'll have to dig it out and have another listen.

I asked the same question on Soulful Detroit. I assumed they were simply Detroit backing musicians but would have been nice to find out who exactly. Anyway here is an email on SD from Ron Murphy from Feb 3 2006. "I have the original half inch 4 track master of the Robbie Dee side on Shotgun, Robbie Dee was a DJ on Detroit's WCHB, he came to Detroit from Pittsburgh and became the first white DJ on the station. He used to vist the studio I was working for at that time and this was the spring of 1966, Telma Hopkins and Robbie got married for what I heard lasted about a month, the female voice on the record is Telma and I think it's just her and him. the record was basically used as Robbie's closing theme song every night (he was on 7 to midnite) the multi track tape it's on has other Golden World unreleased recordings, I do know I got the tape years later from one of 3 studios but not from Artie's studio, but right now I can't recall which one. As pointed out here it's very interesting that the only issue on the label is numbered 203 which is the same number nothing appears on Groove City and I believe the timing of the Shotgun records falls very close to where a Groove City release would have been. My guess is maybe Don Davis pressed the record for Robbie in exchange for Robbie playing Groove City Records using the next number for Groove City, for the other side I'll have to play that side and see if I can match it to any of the dozens of unfinished GW tracks that I have."

Is the Garnett Mimms the live take? Best one on the US lp or French(?) 45.

Gonna move to Look At Your Box, might get more attention there Bob.

can you simply edit your original post to inform everyone that the record is sold. It really does get on the nerves of some to open a topic only to see sold, updated, reduced etc. Thanks Chalky

You can't I believe until your status becomes mint, you're mint minus. So you'll have to go and make some posts on the forums....no bumps in sales though, just one post per day per topic in sales.

Again according to Soul Harmony Singles (which is often wrong) Marcus Edward "Killer" Cray and Howard Kenney replaced Grant and Coleman sometime after Win Or Lose for Atco 222.

from Soul Harmony singles Dave.... Marcus Edward "Killer" Cray and Howard Howard Kenney, both later of the Persuaders, Michael David, Frank Joiner.

I was just about to mention the Artie Fields Detroit connection Richard. The record came on my iPod today and got wondering who they were. If Detroit session musicians which is the likely anser then maybe Motown staff musicians (Funk Brothers) involved? Whoever can only assume they were moonlighting?

Hi Rick, Definitely at Thorne, she bought a record off me I suppose time is catching up with us all, some more so than others