Chalky

Agree with all that Dave. I Dj'ed for Azza in Leeds and there was plenty of young uns in there. They don't generally frequent the nighter scene though, not on a weekly basis. Hopefully they will progress as they get more into it and want to get out to different places. But like you say they will bring their own brand of NS to the scene.

I disagree, there are plenty of cheap records you don't hear to often or never hear, it might be like that in Aus, I don't know haven't been so can't comment but here it's not like that. The mainstream NS scene is just the same 200/300 or whatever every week. Of course there are plenty of nights that promote something other than the norm but they aren't the majority, far from it. At a soul night I'm more likely to hear Al Williams, Lou Pride etc than many far cheaper records, what format is a different argument, tired and lazy DJing.....but that gain is a different argument! Young DJ's shouldn't try and compete, they should do their own thing. If that means setting up their own night to get behind some decks then so be it. After all a promoter puts the money into a night, and it's up to them who they book and an all-nighter for instance isn't cheap to run. As Dave said it's up to them to prove they can do the business not for the scene to pamper to them. If they are enthusiastic enough, willing to learn they will be in it for the long haul and opportunities will arise eventually. As the old guard slips away the turn of the young uns will come.

Maybe the Northern Scene has to get away from the rare vinyl only obsession and give the kids the music in whatever format suits. Not saying your major all-nighters should be like this but maybe town centre soul nights, particularly city centre ones where you might get a large student population looking for a good time. After all most of todays youngsters have probably never seen a vinyl 45 or even a record player? They have grown up on CD's and the last few years downloads? If they are interested and keen they will progress to the vinyl. Maybe this is the way to entice new young blood onto the scene. You only have to look at the all-nighter scene in general and the lack of youngsters.

Not all vinyl is expensive, plenty of good £10, £20 & £30 records out there. Not every DJ has to have Al Williams, Lou Pride and other expensive records you list, which as good as they are have been hammered by plenty of DJ's the past 30/40 years. New upcoming DJ's should be looking at other records, after all they have to offer something that isn't already there otherwise what is the point? It's no good replacing like for like and it is no good chucking a wealth of experience on the scrap heap simply for the sake of it. As long as a Dj is innovative, imaginative and refreshing it matters little how old he is.

I got one of the first ones with a date stamp and like you said very good counterfeit.

Patto, of the 1990 batch there was half a dozen or so stamped with the date. I don't think I've had one of the recent ones in my hands, what is the difference between these and the 1990ish ones?

I'd disagree too. "most meaningful"? As said a ridiculous statement and totally inaccurate in all respects.

It was a spin for Guy Stafford era.

The boot that was done around 1990, about 6 had a date stamp on them so they were quite rare until recent ones. The guy who did them was on here and there is a topic about them somewhere, probably from about 4 or 5 years ago.

The Poets on Red Bird.

The Sinceres (Pzazz) = Bloodstone

Pretty sure Butch didn't cover it up at first (as Simon says). 99.9% certain I saw it uncovered at one of the Lifelines at The Bell. Reckon most either forgot about this or simply didn't know it John considering it hasn't really surfaced since back when you and Dave had them. Still got some tapes of yours from the 80's in the garage, will have to dig them out and see what's on them.

Compared to some of the prices of some records you see every month, every few months, and this, a disc major dealers haven't seen for 20 years, plus the quality and demand then yes I think it is a bargain. Until some more turn up, if they turn up, then £2.5k a pretty good figure to shell out, the buyer obviously thought so too.

$4,383.00 (£ 2,738.76) Bargain IMO considering it's rarity and how good it is.

topic has been well discussed on here, some former topics...

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Great story Ratso What was August and Deneen's full or proper names?

topic already on the go about EMI discs

Most of the funky stuff played in Northern rooms is as Joan says, it has a funk edge to it. The harder funk type records are mostly in side rooms and I doubt much of it will crossover to mainstream NS rooms. Listened to George a few times, even been on at Lifeline, but I doubt some of what he plays would survive in a mainstream venue, think George would probably admit as much too. Like Joan it isn't all to my taste, much of it second rate, there's much better 60's ignored.

what do you call central Scotland, Glasgow/Edinburgh area or actually in the middle

Agree with you Marc "I'm Surprised" is very good

Bang on Byrney, mainstream is a safe environment and not the place for anything unknown. There is very little tolerance out there these days and very little appetite for anything new. Thing is when some thing does make it eventually it's always others who get the credit

well IMO Butch and Andy Dyson are still the top two. Andy probably shades Butch as he Dj's most weekends but he does find stuff for other DJ's too. Butch is semi-retired and isn't heard enough these days but when you hear him at places like Thorne, Lifeline, 100 Club you still realise why he's the top DJ on the rare soul scene. Some of his sets at Lifeline the past 18 months are as good as I've heard from him. New records are a nightmare to break. Because not so many travel these days and you have all the local factions/scenes it would take half a dozen DJ's to break a particular record in a short space of time. Some of the records that just one or two DJ's possess have taken something like 10 years to finally make it, some longer.

or maybe fallen back to what it is actually worth, is it really £300 rare? I know of many rarer records that don't fetch £300.

ignore me thinking of something else.