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from Don't Forget The Motor City.... I Heard It Through The Grapevine (Norman Whitfield-Barrett Strong) publ. Jobete Bobby Taylor; rec 15-Dec-67 ; produced by Norman Whitfield Sep-68; LP (S): Gordy GS930 Bobby Taylor And the Vancouvers Sep-68; LP (M): Gordy G930 Bobby Taylor And the Vancouvers [DJ copies only] 01-May-06; CD (S): Motown 983 851 2 The Motown Anthology [ UK ] Gladys Knight & The Pips; rec 17-Jun-67 ; [studio] ; produced by Norman Whitfield 28-Sep-67; 45 (M): Soul S 35039 A [1st pressing] 28-Sep-67; 45 (M): Soul S 35039 A [2nd pressing] [alt mix] Sep-67; LP (M): Soul S706 Everybody Needs Love Sep-67; LP (S): Soul SS706 Everybody Needs Love Apr-69; LP (S): Motown MS684 A Collection Of 16 Original Big Hits Vol. 10 Mar-70; LP: Soul SS723 Greatest Hits Mar-71; LP (S): Motown MS730 The Motown Story - The First Decade Volume 4 13-Apr-92; CD (S): Motown MOTD 5126 Everybody Needs Love 03-Nov-92; CD (M): Motown 37463 6312 2 Hitsville USA The Motown Singles Collection 1959-1971 21-Mar-95; CD: Motown 31453 0483 The Best Of Gladys Knight & The Pips - The Anthology Series 07-Oct-97; CD (M): Motown 530 826 2 Ultimate Collection 1997; CD (S): Britannia 530 709 The Happening [ UK ] 1997; CD (M): DPSM 5240 The Complete Motown Anthology Vol 4 02-Nov-98; CD (S): Spectrum 554 145 2 Motown Chartbusters Volume 2 [ UK ] Jul-00; CD (S): Spectrum 544 313 2 The Motown Years [ UK ] 16-Jul-01; CD (M): Spectrum 544 545 2 Mod Fave Raves Volume 1 [ UK ] 23-Sep-03; CD (S): Motown B000101602 The Motown Story Volume 1: The 1960s 14-Sep-04; CD (S): Singing Machine G8857 Motown Classics - I Heard It Through The Grapevine Vol. 7 14-Sep-04; CD (S): Singing Machine G8857 Motown Classics - I Heard It Through The Grapevine Vol. 7 [band track] 03-Aug-05; CD (S): Shout B0004999-02 The Motown Box 06-Nov-06; CD (S): Motown 984 194 3 Everybody Needs Love / Feelin' Bluesy [ UK ] 25-May-07; CD (M): Hip O Select B0008993-02 The Complete Motown Singles Vol. 7 1967 [alt mix] 25-May-07; CD (M): Hip O Select B0008993-02 The Complete Motown Singles Vol. 7 1967 Gladys Knight & The Pips ; [live] Jul-69; LP (S): Motown MS688 Motortown Revue Live 26-Aug-05; CD (S): Hip O Select B0003623-02 Recorded Live - The Motortown Revue Collection Gladys Knight & The Pips ; [live] Oct-70; LP (S): Soul SS730 All In A Knight's Work - Live! Marvin Gaye; rec 10-Apr-67 ; produced by Norman Whitfield 26-Aug-68; LP (S): Tamla TS285 In The Groove 26-Aug-68; LP (M): Tamla TM285 In The Groove [DJ copies only] 30-Nov-68; 45 (M): Tamla T 54176 A Sep-70; LP (S): Tamla TS300 Super Hits Mar-71; LP (S): Motown MS731 The Motown Story - The First Decade Volume 5 Mar-86; LP (S): Motown 6172 Motown Remembers Marvin Gaye [with added overdubs] 14-Sep-90; CD (M): Motown MOTD4 6311 The Marvin Gaye Collection 03-Nov-92; CD (M): Motown 37463 6312 2 Hitsville USA The Motown Singles Collection 1959-1971 23-Aug-94; CD (S): Motown 31453 0355-2 The Norman Whitfield Sessions 25-Apr-95; CD (M): Motown 31453 0492-2 The Master 1961-1984 13-Jun-95; CD: Motown 31453 0507-2 Motown Year By Year / The Sound Of Young America 1968 1997; CD (M): DPSM 5942 The Complete Motown Anthology Vol 6 1997; CD (S): Britannia 530 709 The Happening [ UK ] 02-Nov-98; CD (S): Spectrum 554 146 2 Motown Chartbusters Volume 3 [ UK ] 02-Aug-99; CD: Spectrum 530 793 2 I Heard It Through The Grapevine [ UK ] 26-Feb-01; CD (S): Motown 013 185 2 Moods Of Marvin Gaye / In The Groove [ UK ] 23-Sep-03; CD (S): Motown B000101602 The Motown Story Volume 1: The 1960s 11-May-04; CD (S): Motown 066 365-2 Standing In The Shadows of Motown - De Luxe [band track only] 14-Sep-04; CD (S): Singing Machine G8857 Motown Classics - I Heard It Through The Grapevine Vol. 7 [band track] 14-Sep-04; CD (S): Singing Machine G8857 Motown Classics - I Heard It Through The Grapevine Vol. 7 03-Aug-05; CD (S): Shout B0004999-02 The Motown Box [extended soundtrack version] 03-Oct-07; CD (M): Motown 174 317 7 The Complete Motown Singles Vol. 8 1968 Sounds Nice Sep-70; LP: Rare Earth RS512 Love At First Sight The Miracles; rec 16-Aug-66 ; produced by Norman Whitfield 22-Sep-98; CD (M): Motown 530 960 2 Motown Sings Motown Treasures 12-Jan-05; CD: Hip O Select B0003619-02 Motown Sings Motown Treasures The Miracles ; produced by Norman Whitfield 26-Aug-68; LP (M): Tamla TM290 Special Occasion 26-Aug-68; LP (S): Tamla TS290 Special Occasion Mar-97; CD (S): Polygram 530 774 2 Master Series [ UK ] 07-May-01; CD (S): Motown 013 183 2 Make It Happen / Special Occasion [ UK ] The Rustix; rec 02-Jul-69 ; produced by R. Dean Taylor Aug-69; LP: Rare Earth RS508 Bedlam The Temptations; rec 18-Dec-68 ; [lead - Dennis Edwards] ; produced by Norman Whitfield 17-Feb-69; LP (S): Gordy GS939 Cloud Nine 23-Oct-00; CD: Spectrum 544 383 2 From 1966-1969 [ UK ] The Undisputed Truth ; produced by Norman Whitfield ; arranged by Dave Van DePitte Jul-71; LP (S): Gordy GS955 The Undisputed Truth

I can't think of a fake/counterfeit whatever you want to call it that hasn't been sussed pretty quickly. The reason people get fooled is probably because they haven't seen the disc in the flesh and the green eyed monster taking over with the collector having to get hold of the apparent bargain. Technology would probably be the bootleggers downfall. And do you really think that we would be fooled by a rare disc suddenly turning up in quantity with a different matrix from a totally different pressing plant? I can't see how you can compare antiques with vinyl/styrene. Anyway we digress.

It was a shame the Winding Wheel was closed, it could have been one of the great venues, it had everything going for it, central location, choice of rooms, the top DJ's and a full house. Class venue too and the best venue I've been in. Right now there is nothing to touch Lifeline IMO. The Stafford reunion this year was special. Great to see so many people in a venue dancing and enjoying records many of them probably didn't know. Proves you don't have to hear the same old same and still have a good time

I don't think this is wholely true, yes beat ballads did gain in popularity but the up-tempo certainly didn't stand aside during the 80's. Some of the stuff Keb and Guy played just to name two of the DJ's can hardly be described as down tempo, yes they played the slower stuff but the bigger majority of spins were dancers, be them mid tempo movers or uptempo.

Richards last ever set at WC is kicking about in print somewhere, it has been posted on here in the past. It still stands the test of time and any DJ would give their left arm for a set like that, then and now.

I doubt very much you can replicate like for like a 60's disc today, the vinyl today is different as is the inks and no doubt the paper. Granted you can make a damn good counterfeit but you won't fool everyone and certainly not the top dealers/collectors, it wouldn't take long for suspicion to be aroused.

I doubt some of the products used in the 60's are available these days. Many inks etc used back then would now be banned or the some of the products used to make it.

I don't think anyone believes the guy, he said before none left or last one. If you have been around records for years you have a rough idea how many in circulation of most titles but agreed you never know when more will turn up, Four Tracks a good example. Wasn't too long ago it was a genuine rarity and came up for sale very rarely and when it did it was for 4 figures. Now it should be 50 quid, I can't believe they are still bidding so much for it

Can you please post an introduction and let us all know who you are etc

https://www.screamer-radio.com/ https://www.roemersoftware.com/free-sound-recorder.html other than that most recording programs should be able to do it, audacity or something like.

I think JT is pointing out that there are many on this scene who are cheating the system in one form or another, promoting, buying and selling records and DJing. At the end of the day it is all taxable income and just how many declare it?

It is pinned or was pinned in refosoul but refo down at the moment, I think that could be the one being referred to.

https://shop.ebay.co.uk/alpha1music/m.html

Anyone with half a brain and collects rare soul can see exactly what he has been doing over the last couple of years so who is to blame for the prices paid? If they don't know it is the same seller they can still see that this record has been a permanent fixture on ebay for the last couple of years. Who's fault is it these prices are being paid?

Cheers Mike, do they fit inside card sleeves or do they need trimming?

where can you get the green paper covers?

I think the label owner did it, Ady Pierce got what was left off him. There are some with Peak not crossed out with Saintmo written underneath.

yeah Peak was first and rarer but Saintmo is OVO too as far as I'm concerned, other on label good too.

Since when has Saintmo not been OVO? Either/both labels are fine.

heinous Might be wrong but think heinous the wrong word IMHO. I suppose no one has ever bought a bootleg be it a record, item of clothing, perfume whatever

If you are going to make comment stick to the facts and do not make statements that can be deemed libellous. And try and be grown up about your remarks, no time for petty pointy scoring comments. Kev is answering comments and giving his side, full marks to him, cheap sh*tty comments serve no purpose. One comment unapproved so far!

Hi Steve, you anorak Just looked at JM Guide as I'm now at home, there is two boots, both use the same pressing plate. Paper quality is smooth matt finish. 3 turn deaadwax 11.5mm wide, scratched in matrix, quite large (3.8mm high) and reads as you say Bee 223A. One is heavy strong vinyl with a flat edge 1.02mm thick and reasonably flexible. Second one is thinner vinyl 0.85 mm thick and running out to a thicker pronounced bevel edge1.02mm thick. This thin vinyl is brittle and will break when flexed. Original is vinyl similar to 60's RCA pressing, paper style is grainy matt finish with sharp defined text. No more details. Above courtesy of John Manship.

Anyone recommend any Modern Podcasts? I down load the one Roger Williams does for Solar via iTunes (plenty of new independent soul there Russ), anymore?

Doing a bit of tidying up and merged Nev's and Sean's topics as both about the same record and dealer.

The balcony at the stables for Lifeline is usually always full of dealers and very busy.