Modernsoulsucks

Henrik, I sent you a PM on 9 october which I see you haven't read. If you go to the top of this page and press the icon [an envelope] you will be able to access your messages. Thank you ROD [forum moderator]

My gut feeling Richard is that when this was first played the West Coast pressing seemed to be around more than the East Coast copies. I got the W.C. WDJ and I don't remember thinking wow that's different. Since then I've seen far more E.C copies. ROD

OK. Pm'd both members. Can we draw a line under that now please. If there is any more inadvertent bumping of this thread it will be at the top of AATS. ROD [Forum Moderator]

George, Vg- with a crack doesn't sound like a decent playing copy nor $248 a bargain. ROD

Hi Ion, Until you posted I was pretty sure Richard had it and played it very infrequently in later stages of Wigan. I guess I could have heard you play it but if it were covered up why is it on my wants list from early 80's? I've still got that here and Sandy is in the main body of the list but me and Dave have added an update which includes Chuck Cockerham amongst others which I didn't know until I found a copy in '89 and sold to Richard so update was done around that time. The main list [less additions] kinda cuts off after Dave and I stopped dj-ing so Limelights,Monique,Phonetics,Young Brothers are there which dates it to around '83. If you had it for 5-6 years and sold it in '90 it's a bit of a mystery why it's on the list. I know Barrie and Brad. Did one of them tell me I wonder? I've not heard Richard dj since he was on at Stafford apart from a few times at Parkers in late 80's and a new-fangled R&B night in the 90's.Parkers stopped around time you sold it Rob I think. So Im still confused. ROD

Not exactly a new phenomena Glyn. It's also VG- or knackered. It's £30 now. Bet it goes higher. I can't figure out why anybody buys stuff like this at this price. For £30 you could buy a mint original of something which is just as good musically. ROD

Hundreds and hundreds of Rosey Jones on Today at Lamont's place in '79. ROD

What about this? Around £5. ROD

My pick for today. Chicago I guess but sounds like Detroit ROD

Current auction ends at 2pm today. Up to date bids above. ROD

Forgotten? Think Virtue is the re-issue. I have this on Cherry Red ROD

Can we please go easy on these comments guys. For a moment there I thought I'd died and was reading my obituary. But thank you ROD

Another coma-inducing pick from me. Reminds me of Revilot Jackey Beavers but much cheaper. ROD

Updated Current Bids:- Herman Lewis £1510 Little Reuben £590 Betty Turner £510 Eula Cooper £700 Master Force £300 Lou Pride £750 Wil Collins £300 Dennis Edwards £2500 Judy Stokes £550 Virginia Blakly £650 Vanguards £760 Delilah Moore £310 Ray Pollard £810 Little Joe Romans £725 Masqueraders £675

Wiggy, this should be £10. Poppish elements but no more than Fables track

What about this. LP only but you get "Tonight Im gonna to see my baby" as well

Hopefully that is now better. ROD

Please PM if interested. Grover Mitchell Take your time and love me JOSIE M- £15 SOLD April Stevens Wanting you UK MGM EX [couple very faint lines off M-] £125 SOLD Four Bars Waitin'on the right guy FALEW [white DJ?] EX £15 Jackie Wilson Haunted House BRUNSWICK M- £15 Kurtis Scott No No Baby DJ SURESHOT M- £10 SOLD Roy Redmond Aint that Terrible WDJ LOMA EX £20 SOLD Chandler/Acklin From the teacher... DJ BRUNSWICK VG+ [few marks but still nice copy] £10 Leaders You are the one I love DJ BLUE ROCK VG+ [still nice copy but with some slight label fading] £10 Palisades Make the night a little longer WDJ CHAIRMAN EX [sticker residue on label] [same as Ramona King, Tan Geers] £15 Sultans I wanna know WDJ ASCOT EX [Good Carolina type sound] £80 Bill Black Little Queenie LONDON UK M- [ 60's silvertop design] £40 Gene Chandler Nothing can stop me CONSTELLATION EX [stars design] £10 Chantells World of Soul/ Why won't you say SOUL KITCHEN M- [great instr like Saxie Russell to my ears] £25 SOLD Donald Jenkins Happy days DUCHESS M- [orig release of "My lucky day"]£50 SOLD Cap-tans Tight skirts and crazy sweaters ANNA M- [white label design] £5 Ty Hunter Free ANNA EX [as above] £5 Dimensions He's a lover DJ D-TOWN M- [rare Detroit] £150 SOLD Jimmy Delphs Almost KAREN M- [multicolored] £5 SOLD Couple of Albums Ruby Andrews "Black Ruby" ZODIAC Sleeve is around VG+ but not tatty. Vinyl Ex to M- inc "Just loving you" £100 Ruby Andrews "Everybody saw you" ZODIAC Sleeve is about Ex and vinyl Ex+ £50 Peter Rodriguez "Hot and Wild" [stereo] ALLEGRE Sleeve is VG+ [wear on top seam] but still nice. Vinyl is EX to M-. Inc. "Here comes the Judge" £25 Thanks ROD

This is way more complicated as to what the original ethos was. The elitism hung on the music. In those early days there wasn't the wealth of product available either legally or illegally as there was by the later 70's. And even if there were such as Soul Sounds and OOTP early pressings, what was popular was what the dj's were playing and what they didn't play was records that had become available. There was no timelag scene running concurrently with the main scene. The Sweet Things was filling dancefloors when it was OVO not when it was on a boot. Something equally immediate and ear-catching had taken it's place. But OVO was not sacrosanct like today. The price would plummet once a 45 was booted. The majority would want to hear and own what they heard on a Saturday night not a year last Tuesday. No different really from the way the Top Twenty Charts operated in the outside world. It was still a social scene for meeting mates etc with it's own soundtrack but it didn't remain static. And enjoying oneself wasn't viewed as an education if a new 45 was played. Just seemed to blend in. I think the question is when did this stop happening for most? It certainly seemed to work for most up until IMO Mr M's opened. For those who champion OVO I'd say you've actually missed part of the equation. It's gotta be good which is subjective I admit but as a lot of the comments are aimed at the "Exus Trek" loving oldies crowd then you can't be surprised if some playlists which are somewhat removed from the classic sound do not attract that clientelle. ROD

Did you get the Music Bag card from me, Rick? Or did you tell me before I went? I went there in '79 on first trip to USA. It was just a small shop [think corner newsagent]. It's a bit hazy now in my memory but I don't think there were records on show. However my over-riding recollection was from my first impression when I walked in as they were selling handguns which were displayed at the front counter. The guys there gave me Danny Reed, Lost Family and a few other things but obviosly in '79 there was no longer any demand for those 45s. He went in the back for them. Why I didn't ask to go in the back I don't know. May have been the handguns. At the same time I also met a Rack Jobber who worked out of his house on North Side. He put his 45s in a chain of chemists. Mainly Chicago labels which were probably bulk buy from Mar-V-Lus warehouse but others too. Hard to tell what he may have had at one time as Anderson had got to him before me but I did get a Peoples Choice [Palmer], Velvets [Number One] and James Fountain [luckily mis-filed] amongst others. He didn't handle new product. As for re-cycling vinyl Alex Jones and I went to Trax in the 90's and they did it on the premises. ROD

Brassic since becoming unemployed but got this the other day for $15. Sounds £150! ROD

An exchange of views is fine but please let us keep it civil. ROD [Moonlighting from Sales Forum moderator]

Actually Toad has answered some of my points. He has done spots under umbrella of different music under one roof so it isn't confined to mod events only. Ritchie, Im definitely not advocating playing it all in one room......usually. The phenomena of the dance floor emptying and filling up with a new set of dancers is not that rare anyway in some ATB nights I attended in the NW. It is interesting that you mention ska/Northern/boogaloo because at one time it was quite possible to hear "Train to Skaville" followed by "Just a little misunderstanding" and then "El Watusi" played by the same dj in the same room all of which would go down with the crowd. It was, has been pointed out, a brief period where this happened and it may also have been that I just happened to be there when that dj with that musical approach played but it seemed the norm prior to discovering there was an embryonic Northern scene running parallel in late 60's. If you did mix the two now it would only be possible IMO from either a nostalgia angle in that you'd have to be very careful what you played to re-create that moment in time. For instance dropping "Tainted Love" or Arthur Willis into the mix would completely undermine it. It would be a very occasional oldies do. Or it could be off in a side room where say Toad instead of playing solely reggae could have carte blanche to play his fave 45s. Obviously Abba would be out, fave or not. ROD

Rich, I get all that. Hopefully later posts may explain a bit more where Im coming from. What Im saying is that under this wider approach which seems to be called the rare soul scene what difference is there between the Fabulous Counts and Alva Lewis and Betty O'Brien and RL Burnside. Seems like we already have an eclectic mix that is slightly reminiscent of those 80's clubs where rockabilly meets soul meets 50's R&B that we had up here in Manchester too. Jez, Glad you remember those steps. "Hit and Run", "Im standing" "Love you baby" Herb Johnson all fitted that style and yes I did. ROD

I've heard the equivalent to my ears played by enterprising [clueless] dj's. You do know Im not saying drop Techniques into a regular Northern spot. What I am saying is in this time of all under one roof approach with funky,jazzy,latiny tracks with a fairly tenuous connection to traditional Northern feel, why is the reggae side ignored. I've got it on Caltone but I'll check out the Bob Andy. ROD