Modernsoulsucks

We have discussed this previously although reference to "nighters" does confuse me if you are making a distinction between those and "evening" do's as if there is a difference somehow. Anyway my 2p worth. Many modern tracks are only on CD If you're gonna cut an unreleased track off a CD to play why not play the CD If we take Adey C's unreleased finds Im guessing he could play off a CD but prefers to use 7" cut. Some of those tracks then come out on CD and some make it to Kent vinyl. They'd be no less worthwhile if played off a CD to start with. I don't like CDs personally just for the aesthetics of it all compared to vinyl. Obviously if OVO is available then it's a non-starter to use CDs unless the clientelle aren't particularly bothered. ROD

I've got Martha "No part time..." Ex I'd say £70. See old sales list here /forums/topic/106197-60s-and-70s-for-sale/page__p__1107049__fromsearch__1entry1107049 ROD

It's posts like this that make me proud to be British! Obviously I've no idea what you're on about but it does make my own mental state seem less precarious than I originally thought. I do have a question though. I have an Eric Lomax with sticker. Is it a demo or a rare regular issue that someone stuck a sticker on? ROD

Yes I knew Chris and Rob well and neither of them were into oldies IMO other than they had oldies from the time they weren't I guess, which is why I was surprised by Rob Wigley's comment. Couldn't imagine either at a predominantly oldies do at the time unless the sales boxes were better. ROD

Too many repostings and too much splitting up into individual ads that could come under the one ad. This pushes those sellers who are sticking to the rules down the page at a much faster rate and once you're on P2 the chances of selling seem to diminish rapidly. ROD

I didn't know Rob Marriott started out as more a fan of the oldies nights but I think you've nailed it there Rob. Still you do have the advantage of actually having been there. Oldies in Mr.M's as against newies or even biggies in the main room. "60's newies" was the obvious term to employ toward end of 70's and early 80's to differentiate those sounds from the preponderence of 70's stuff getting plays but the emphasis in that particular phrase was on the "60's" and not really used to contrast 60's oldies with 60's new discoveries or 60's current biggies. ROD

Not that I've got enough mates nowadays to host a party but in the past I'd go with James Brown "Papa's got a brand new binbag" Carla Thomas "Pick up the plates" Archie Bell "Tidy up" Unknown artist acetate "Now all f**k off home, it's half-ten and I wanna go to bed" ROD

NO!!! It's original. Have a look at this design in link. If Embers looks like that it's real https://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-Northern-The-FORMATIONS-on-MGM-LISTEN_W0QQitemZ180382634995QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item29ffa493f3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 ROD

I thought it was Kim Bolivar on Castro [Fidel of course} ROD

Yes, Contra to what most people think. ROD

No he had it on Venezuelan Stateside and covered as Hugo Chavez "It is an imperialist government, one that says it fights against terrorism but protects it. The U.S. throws stones to Latin America,". Easy to get Hugo and Freddie confused though. ROD

Have to agree with you there. This was massive for Richard at Wigan where he had it covered up for at least two years and was only forced to uncover it after Andy Rix inadvertently tuned into the DLT show after contacting Eddie Singleton who knew nothing about the record. ROD

I thought we'd done this and there is no black issue as it was released after label design changed. Blue regulars are original as far as I know. ROD

I just played it Adam. It is OK. Nice midtempo Detroit. Add £10 to value of that demo. I was under the mistaken impression it was one of their ballads. Well 35+ years ago when I last heard the track it WAS a slowie compared to what we were listening to. ROD

I'd say first 45 quite desirable but no more than £40 [regular £5-8?] and the other two although hard to come across are around £20, bearing in mind regular issues are almost unsellable so only of interest to hardened collector I'd guess. ROD

I saw it on Kev Cox list too but looked beat. Im a bit of a Mintish only freak. I'd pay that for a nice Minter. Still £150 is not really cheap as in the Marvelows price range. ROD

I sold that Richard then. I think it's quite rare. I've not seen many at all. Never had a copy since. ROD

Isn't this one of Dave Evison's spins in Mr. M's at a time when the rest of us wouldn't entertain it in the main room cos it was only worth thruppence! All credit to him cos it's always sounded on a par with 45s that go for a lot more. Plenty about though. ROD

No. If you look at Ebay completed listings there's a lot below $13. Just a daft bidder. ROD

I love that first track you mention and would add "Your heart belongs to me" which is in a similar vein. ROD

I can't argue too much cos I agree with nearly everything you say. It's just the ascribing of motives that leaves me a little uneasy. For instance the uncovering of the children in public. Im assuming it was Jackson in his "wacko" mode that insisted on that so now he's dead maybe somebody in the family with a better grip on reality decided that wearing a blanket was not really an option then or in the future. My wife and I did notice the children a few times in the audience and they appeared to be holding it together well particularly the two older kids. It seemed to me that the only time we saw the tears was when Paris spoke about her dad which was for a few brief seconds. It just seemed very natural to me at the time. I agree we are about to see a commercial frenzy developing to market Jackson but I don't know how important the cleansing of his image is in that. The accusations and trial are already in the public domain and yet those questions do not appear to have affected the ticket sales for his aborted concerts or the adulation from his fans. To be honest I don't think it even comes into the equation right now. I do think the father and later images of Jackson were airbrushed out somewhat but then we had the children coming on at the end. Those [most] of us who have severe reservations about Jackson's behaviour must have thought, whoa kids coupled with tribute to Jackson:very unfortunate connotations but I don't think it even enters the mindset of the Jackson camp that he was guilty of those charges. More like keep Joe out after the unedifying spectacle of him pushing his record label last week and preferring to remember Jackson in happier times before his self-destructive surgery. I do think it's important to get to the truth of the accusations levelled against him. Im tempted to say give him a bit of breathing space but that would be a very bad joke but time to mourn for the family is not unreasonable. However it is immoral for commercial interests to take precedence over valid concerns that somehow celebrity has prevented the Law from taking it's course. It will be interesting to see what attempts are made to reconcile the two. ROD

Whilst Chorley has brought up some good points Im just wondering if he's being a bit too cynical. The allegations against Jackson obviously hung over his death but that doesn't invalidate the grief felt by his immediate family or friends. I didn't watch all the broadcast but caught the lady senator[?] talking about the money he donated to children in need. I thought good for you Michael and wouldn't we then be pretty base individuals to ascribe a guilty conscience as a motive for that charity? I then caught Smokey talking and I was touched by his words and the images shown of Michael as a young boy and, as Mark S said, when his daughter said those few words at the end, which looked entirely unstaged to me, I was moved especially when it immediately brings up the loss of your own parents, no matter what your age. Yes it did seem schmaltzy in some parts that I glimpsed and although I didn't watch all of it I'd say it was stage-managed in that I didn't notice any later pictures of Michael in his "wacko" phase nor am I aware that his father got to speak. However I think it's entirely natural that the family would try to put aside the questions hanging over his life and death when they are mourning the death of a son. They had the private funeral first and the tribute was held as far as Im aware due to demand from his fans and to prevent the family service getting out of control. Tickets were free. Maybe the TV and radio stations would have been charged for coverage but then someone had to pay for the venue and security arrangements. I can't say it looked like a marketing exercise to me with the aim of keeping him in the public eye. I do agree with Chorley that somewhere in all this is a desire on the part of some members of the Black community in the US to honour and protect one of it's own. We saw a similar thing in the case of OJ Simpson with people refusing to believe the charges brought against an individual thought to be an example of advancement and success. Michael turned to the Nation of Islam to act as bodyguards at his previous trial which then tended to give a Black/White spin to those proceedings. However the fans who packed that auditorium were of all colours so I don't see it as solely a coming together of the Black community or a hidden agenda to stick it to "Whitey" by Mr.Sharpton or any other Black activist intent on hijacking his death to engage in politicking. There may have been "Royalty" in attendence but weren't they his friends or fellow artists which you would expect given Michael's position in the entertainment industry. Like many I've yet to be convinced that Michael was set up but he was found innocent no matter how much money he paid out. I haven't read the court transcripts nor did I follow it on TV at the time so I can only wait to see what comes out in the future. In the meantime I don't think it's unreasonable to put aside sneering or ill-will whilst the Jacksons bury their son. ROD

Well we agree on that then. But by '68 according to interview he's at the Magic Village. I still contend that he wasn't "instrumental" in the birth of Northern. I met plenty of guys with those records back when I was starting out. From what I read in '66 the Wheel wasn't the only place to be playing those records so Im sure there are plenty of unsung heroes who contributed too. Of course being from Manchester I would say that the Wheel was responsible for kick-starting the Northern scene in late 60's but that was you and a few others wasn't it? What about Al Devine. Did you know him? DJ at the Moon. ROD

Im a bit confused here. If he left the Wheel in '66 how could he have contributed to hundreds of NS classics? When I became aware in late 68 there weren't that many records being played. Mostly those that had come out on UK labels [but not all had been discovered then] and the lesser known Motown. By '69 the RicTic things were coming in around Manchester along with others I used to hear at the Poco-a-Poco on a Sunday night or the Moon [Duckinfield] and Birdcage [Ashton], I suspect because of Mr. Phillips if anyone remembers his lists. Im assuming those were also Wheel records as a lot of guys who went there were also at those local do's. I presume lots of disco djs in the 60's all over the country would have been playing latest soul releases back in '66 albeit with an emphasis on Stax/Atlantic/Chess/Motown so it wasn't like he was a lone voice in the wilderness. I remember Joe Tex, Wilson Pickett, Motown etc alongside pop back in '66 when I went to my first "grown-up" disco. From '69 onwards I'd say it snowballed and it became hundreds and then thousands. Roger had left it all behind by then hadn't he? As for drug fueled uptempo records Tami Lynn or Tams anyone. Same at Wigan. Tony Middleton, George Kirby, John Bowie? ROD

Well, he may have thought that it was limiting but 53 years on after his dismissal of the pill poppers? I think what Im trying to say is that his views carry as much weight as those of Ginger Spice IMHO. ROD