Modernsoulsucks

NO!!! It's original. Have a look at this design in link. If Embers looks like that it's real https://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-RARE-Northern-The-FORMATIONS-on-MGM-LISTEN_W0QQitemZ180382634995QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item29ffa493f3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 ROD

I thought it was Kim Bolivar on Castro [Fidel of course} ROD

Yes, Contra to what most people think. ROD

No he had it on Venezuelan Stateside and covered as Hugo Chavez "It is an imperialist government, one that says it fights against terrorism but protects it. The U.S. throws stones to Latin America,". Easy to get Hugo and Freddie confused though. ROD

Have to agree with you there. This was massive for Richard at Wigan where he had it covered up for at least two years and was only forced to uncover it after Andy Rix inadvertently tuned into the DLT show after contacting Eddie Singleton who knew nothing about the record. ROD

I thought we'd done this and there is no black issue as it was released after label design changed. Blue regulars are original as far as I know. ROD

I just played it Adam. It is OK. Nice midtempo Detroit. Add £10 to value of that demo. I was under the mistaken impression it was one of their ballads. Well 35+ years ago when I last heard the track it WAS a slowie compared to what we were listening to. ROD

I'd say first 45 quite desirable but no more than £40 [regular £5-8?] and the other two although hard to come across are around £20, bearing in mind regular issues are almost unsellable so only of interest to hardened collector I'd guess. ROD

I saw it on Kev Cox list too but looked beat. Im a bit of a Mintish only freak. I'd pay that for a nice Minter. Still £150 is not really cheap as in the Marvelows price range. ROD

I sold that Richard then. I think it's quite rare. I've not seen many at all. Never had a copy since. ROD

Isn't this one of Dave Evison's spins in Mr. M's at a time when the rest of us wouldn't entertain it in the main room cos it was only worth thruppence! All credit to him cos it's always sounded on a par with 45s that go for a lot more. Plenty about though. ROD

No. If you look at Ebay completed listings there's a lot below $13. Just a daft bidder. ROD

I love that first track you mention and would add "Your heart belongs to me" which is in a similar vein. ROD

I can't argue too much cos I agree with nearly everything you say. It's just the ascribing of motives that leaves me a little uneasy. For instance the uncovering of the children in public. Im assuming it was Jackson in his "wacko" mode that insisted on that so now he's dead maybe somebody in the family with a better grip on reality decided that wearing a blanket was not really an option then or in the future. My wife and I did notice the children a few times in the audience and they appeared to be holding it together well particularly the two older kids. It seemed to me that the only time we saw the tears was when Paris spoke about her dad which was for a few brief seconds. It just seemed very natural to me at the time. I agree we are about to see a commercial frenzy developing to market Jackson but I don't know how important the cleansing of his image is in that. The accusations and trial are already in the public domain and yet those questions do not appear to have affected the ticket sales for his aborted concerts or the adulation from his fans. To be honest I don't think it even comes into the equation right now. I do think the father and later images of Jackson were airbrushed out somewhat but then we had the children coming on at the end. Those [most] of us who have severe reservations about Jackson's behaviour must have thought, whoa kids coupled with tribute to Jackson:very unfortunate connotations but I don't think it even enters the mindset of the Jackson camp that he was guilty of those charges. More like keep Joe out after the unedifying spectacle of him pushing his record label last week and preferring to remember Jackson in happier times before his self-destructive surgery. I do think it's important to get to the truth of the accusations levelled against him. Im tempted to say give him a bit of breathing space but that would be a very bad joke but time to mourn for the family is not unreasonable. However it is immoral for commercial interests to take precedence over valid concerns that somehow celebrity has prevented the Law from taking it's course. It will be interesting to see what attempts are made to reconcile the two. ROD

Whilst Chorley has brought up some good points Im just wondering if he's being a bit too cynical. The allegations against Jackson obviously hung over his death but that doesn't invalidate the grief felt by his immediate family or friends. I didn't watch all the broadcast but caught the lady senator[?] talking about the money he donated to children in need. I thought good for you Michael and wouldn't we then be pretty base individuals to ascribe a guilty conscience as a motive for that charity? I then caught Smokey talking and I was touched by his words and the images shown of Michael as a young boy and, as Mark S said, when his daughter said those few words at the end, which looked entirely unstaged to me, I was moved especially when it immediately brings up the loss of your own parents, no matter what your age. Yes it did seem schmaltzy in some parts that I glimpsed and although I didn't watch all of it I'd say it was stage-managed in that I didn't notice any later pictures of Michael in his "wacko" phase nor am I aware that his father got to speak. However I think it's entirely natural that the family would try to put aside the questions hanging over his life and death when they are mourning the death of a son. They had the private funeral first and the tribute was held as far as Im aware due to demand from his fans and to prevent the family service getting out of control. Tickets were free. Maybe the TV and radio stations would have been charged for coverage but then someone had to pay for the venue and security arrangements. I can't say it looked like a marketing exercise to me with the aim of keeping him in the public eye. I do agree with Chorley that somewhere in all this is a desire on the part of some members of the Black community in the US to honour and protect one of it's own. We saw a similar thing in the case of OJ Simpson with people refusing to believe the charges brought against an individual thought to be an example of advancement and success. Michael turned to the Nation of Islam to act as bodyguards at his previous trial which then tended to give a Black/White spin to those proceedings. However the fans who packed that auditorium were of all colours so I don't see it as solely a coming together of the Black community or a hidden agenda to stick it to "Whitey" by Mr.Sharpton or any other Black activist intent on hijacking his death to engage in politicking. There may have been "Royalty" in attendence but weren't they his friends or fellow artists which you would expect given Michael's position in the entertainment industry. Like many I've yet to be convinced that Michael was set up but he was found innocent no matter how much money he paid out. I haven't read the court transcripts nor did I follow it on TV at the time so I can only wait to see what comes out in the future. In the meantime I don't think it's unreasonable to put aside sneering or ill-will whilst the Jacksons bury their son. ROD

Well we agree on that then. But by '68 according to interview he's at the Magic Village. I still contend that he wasn't "instrumental" in the birth of Northern. I met plenty of guys with those records back when I was starting out. From what I read in '66 the Wheel wasn't the only place to be playing those records so Im sure there are plenty of unsung heroes who contributed too. Of course being from Manchester I would say that the Wheel was responsible for kick-starting the Northern scene in late 60's but that was you and a few others wasn't it? What about Al Devine. Did you know him? DJ at the Moon. ROD

Im a bit confused here. If he left the Wheel in '66 how could he have contributed to hundreds of NS classics? When I became aware in late 68 there weren't that many records being played. Mostly those that had come out on UK labels [but not all had been discovered then] and the lesser known Motown. By '69 the RicTic things were coming in around Manchester along with others I used to hear at the Poco-a-Poco on a Sunday night or the Moon [Duckinfield] and Birdcage [Ashton], I suspect because of Mr. Phillips if anyone remembers his lists. Im assuming those were also Wheel records as a lot of guys who went there were also at those local do's. I presume lots of disco djs in the 60's all over the country would have been playing latest soul releases back in '66 albeit with an emphasis on Stax/Atlantic/Chess/Motown so it wasn't like he was a lone voice in the wilderness. I remember Joe Tex, Wilson Pickett, Motown etc alongside pop back in '66 when I went to my first "grown-up" disco. From '69 onwards I'd say it snowballed and it became hundreds and then thousands. Roger had left it all behind by then hadn't he? As for drug fueled uptempo records Tami Lynn or Tams anyone. Same at Wigan. Tony Middleton, George Kirby, John Bowie? ROD

Well, he may have thought that it was limiting but 53 years on after his dismissal of the pill poppers? I think what Im trying to say is that his views carry as much weight as those of Ginger Spice IMHO. ROD

Although not so relevant back in the 70's. Im not quite sure what actual tracks I was listening to back in '76 at Wigan and the Mecca but pretty sure those I liked were mainly Black Music albeit uptempo but they didn't all sound the same to me then and don't now. I read Roger was putting Echo & Bunneymen, OMD and similar pop groups on in Liverpool at that time. Back in '68/69 he was something to do with the Magic Village in Manchester which was an "underground" [rock] venue playing the Nice amongst others. Exactly the reason I got into soul in the first place cos 6th form was full of "underground" types listening to dreary music based on old blues riffs. I too have spoken to him when he came down to my shop in Manchester back in the 90's. He didn't appear to have a clue about Northern and as that's mostly Black Music encompassing most of the major soul artists of past 40 odd years I'd question the tag "Black music fanatic", although I'd give him "Blues and R&B affectianado". I don't think his views on the scene or the music carry any more weight than some other outsider with no experience or liking for the genre. ROD

Is it not cheaper to just sell at a set price if you have a reserve in mind. It may not have been a soul 45 for all I know but if it were I'd always use SS rather than Ebay. ROD

John's blurb said not in good nick. ROD

Way before we met. If I'd known her then I certainly wouldn't have been phased by the top predator of the African savannah. Any doubts about my story could be quashed in an instant if Francis T. would only post on that thread. He was there, albeit screaming like a girl used to do back in those old 50's horror movies, which I now accept was a gross caricature and misrepresentation since undergoing extensive re-education at Camp Clare, and was almost back in Stockport before I'd clocked it was a real lion. ROD On reflection maybe I embellished his reaction to make my leap backward over the counter the more manly and heroic. Just in case he does read this.

Clare was a regular in Mr. M's and her favourite record is 7th Wonder "Captain of my ship". I've not spoken to her since before we were married. ROD

All 45s are original. Even those graded VG+ are in very very good condition apart from odd scuffs or light marks and all are guaranteed money back if not satisfied. No scratches or f**ked records here. M- is my top grade and EX is not far off that. 60's Northern 1. Joe Murphy So blue WDJ VIVID EX £25 2. Leon&Metronomes I'll catch you on the rebound WDJ EX [couple of small scuffs] CARNIVAL £25 5. Vic & Catalinas Talkin' about my girl BAR CLAY M- £15 6. Mystic Moods Astral Trip WDJ WB EX £15 7. Dave Love Coalined Baby SOLID SOUL VG+ £8 10.Embers It ain't necessary DJ BELL M- £8 [bit of paper residue in vinyl on b-side but plays fine] 11.Kennard Gardner Do the skin DORE [67807] VG+ £5 [very slt tear to label at centre] 12.Patrice Holloway Stay with your own kind CAPITOL M- £12 13.Jimmy Delphs Almost KAREN [multicolored] VG+ £5 14.Dells Thinking about you CADET EX £50 15.Billy Butler Gotta get away OKEH EX £15 16.Joe Frazier You got the love CLOVERLAY M- £5 17.Shirelles Last minute miracle SCEPTER EX £20 18.Bessie Banks I can't make it without you DJ VERVE M- £40 19.Chris Bartley Sweetest thing this ... WDJ VANDO M- £10 20.Mandells Doin' the look WDJ JUBILEE M- £10 21.Barbara Mercer Hey GW EX £5 22.Robert Moore Jo Ann DJ De LUXE M- £10 23.Johnnie M. Matthews Here comes my baby BLUE ROCK EX £5 24.Forest Hairston We go to pieces VINEY M- £10 25.Showmen The Honey House WDJ SWAN EX £8 26.Hesitations Wait a minute WDJ KAPP £15 [this has an edge crack NAP otherwise EX] 70's Soul 27.Betty Lavette You're gonna wake up wiser ATCO VG+ £10 28.Gloria Gaynor This love affair POLYDOR M- £25 29.Millie Jackson My man is a sweet man SPRING EX £5 30.Jean Carn If you wanna go back WDJ PIR [s/s] M- £5 31.Checkmates Ltd. All alone by the telephone WDJ POLYDOR [s/s] M- £50 32.David Morris Jr. Midnight Lady BUDDAH EX £10 33.Dutch Robinson Can't get along without you DJ UA EX £30 34.Rare Pleasure Let me down easy CHERYL M- £25 35.Buddy Turner You're what's missing... OCEAN/ARIOLA M- £10 s/s : single sided Please PM if interested. Payment by Paypal or cheque. Postage for 1 x 45 is £2 by recorded 1st class mail. All 45s sent out in new mailers well-packed. Thanks ROD

Actually Sean it was "Far away places" not "Watch out girl" that got plays,hence BMR bootleg. Here's a link to remake of Kurt Harris. Just heard it on Beach Radio. Thought it sounded different. https://www.paulcraver.com/biography.html ROD