Everything posted by Modernsoulsucks
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Is Your Collection Your Pension?
I go to a rock'n' roll do in Preston now and again. I'd say the age group is probably younger overall than average NS do with quite a lot of people in their 20's and 30's. The attraction appears to be the live group. The dj plays CDs and there are no 45s for sale. As you know the Beach scene, older overall I'd say, once 45 focused is now pretty much CD orientated and the dj's use laptops. Neither of those examples appear to revolve around high-priced vinyl or any notion that it's any kind of retirement fund. As you say it's meant to be fun. ROD
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Is Your Collection Your Pension?
If you can't afford to lose what you've put into your collection then yes I'd say you'd better start selling soon although I'd hold off on the 50% sale, to start with at least. I think most people don't look at their collections as some kinda profit and loss a/c. Im not disputing that 45s can be an asset to be cashed in when something comes along of more pressing importance but to be regarded as a pension seems somewhat risky. I'd say relative values dropped say from '85-'95. My view is based on selling full-time during most of that period. That they've taken off since is again not in dispute but are prices and demand as bouyant now as two years ago? I get the impression that perhaps not but there are plenty of dealers on here who would have a view. There are plenty of sales on SS at the moment. I can't say whether these are all spare copies but again I feel that some people have to sell to buy which suggests that 45 prices are in a lot of instances out of reach of earnings. I don't want to be intrusive but it would be interesting to know how say Gene R and Quinvy are getting on with selling their collections. Are they making a profit, recouping their outlay or is it a buyer's market where choice items may sell [and maybe to a very narrow customer base] but the more standard fare is not reaching book price or the "going rate" and failing to sell. ROD
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Is Your Collection Your Pension?
Football clubs? Er... Russians and Saudis. Americans. Stuck now as Im a part-time follower of Stockport County. No idea how that relates to Northern Soul scene. Japan? Quite a lot I would imagine. Enough for Japanese dealers to have been popping over to USA and buying and selling 45s since the 70's that I know of. Poland? Not much which is why we had a recent influx. Where is your evidence of these embryonic soul scenes in China, sub-Continent, Eastern Europe etc. There's hardly any in the USA and Europe compared to the UK now. See the recent thread. For it to be sustainable we shoulda seen a growth over here. When was the last time there was a large influx of 15-18 year olds onto the scene. It wasn't 2008. Probably 1970 and 1975. That's why the average age is 50. If it's not attractive to younger people over here why would it be so in other places where there is no scene to speak of. Anyway we are talking about an investment not whether the scene will exist in some form in ten years time. You buy a 45 now and you'll make a profit if you sell come retirement. It's ludicrous as is your rationale. As Steve L says sounds like something the financial markets would come up with and we know where that got us. ROD
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Is Your Collection Your Pension?
when you sell 'em,and you can only profit from that once. which is why I've moved into antique boomerangs ROD
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Is Your Collection Your Pension?
That may be true Beeks and didn't I read it on here about an increase in vinyl sales in the USA. However I don't think they're referring to £500 45s, are they? If average age is now 50 [again on here] I guess in 10 years time when most will be 60 and over these younger guys will be 30+ and have the funds available. Still not convinced though. ROD
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Is Your Collection Your Pension?
Having difficulty with this. China? Average income around $2300[professionals] and $1500 [manual] in 2005/2006. Having paid rent,food,utilities disposable income? Can't see that as a market to offload your "investment" now or in the future. Of course you're also supposing thriving soul scene. On what evidence? I've never met anyone of Chinese ethnicity on the scene in 40 years. Sorry Andy but collectors will diminish and whilst always possibilty of younger fans I doubt they'll be hung up on vinyl. ROD
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Anyone Heard Of This Label?
Flo-mar but I think that's publishing isn't it. Seen it on Wand 45s ROD
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Mil Evans
There's a lot of Constellation stuff that came out on both label designs. Im sure Boba will confirm. Are you sure yours is styrene with no stamps. I can't believe they booted it. ROD
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Mil Evans
Must be the boot then, as mine is vinyl with the stamps. ROD
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"i'll Be Seeing You"? (maybe Bisley '70's)
Something like Jeff Evans on a green label springs to mind. Grandstand https://cgi.ebay.com/JEFF-EVANS-Ill-Be-Seei...Q2em118Q2el1247 Here's a copy for $5 ROD
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Mil Evans
With no stars? I've got that. They're orig with all the stamps. To be honest didn't know it was booted. real common 45 at one time. ROD
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Caption Competition
Billy knew he shoulda waited till the wind died down before scattering the wife's ashes but he was in a hurry to go out and celebrate
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Deep Funk And N/soul What The Funkin' Hell
Im sorry Gareth, I thought you were having a go at us traditionalists by singling out Frankie Valli and implying we'd ignored Rufus Wood etc the first time around as being too funky or cutting edge. I've no idea to what Ken is referring but I would have thought he'd been around long enough to have been exposed to the funkier side of NS [if Rufus Wood is such?] that I was interested in what exactly could have overstepped his particular parameters. I think we all have limits as to what we view as coming under the Northern banner but obviously not the same for everyone. However whatever the limits can anyone deny that the thread that has continued from the beginning has been the Motownesque 60's dancer. Im guessing most people on here would like to turn up the next Salvadores. Are you trying to get me in trouble with that Tennessee Ernie reference? Late 50's/early 60's R&B is that bridge too far for me and no amount of comparison to 45s like Mickie Champion or Ray Agee[soul Town] is gonna convince me that the odd gritty mid 60's soul record is anything to do with it. What is a "trottover" ROD
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Deep Funk And N/soul What The Funkin' Hell
I was thinking that myself,Pete. I can only assume that the "rightful" audience wasn't us who were buying, listening, and dancing to them at the time. Im also not so sure that the majority of us were looking for the next Frankie Valli. Maybe the UK collectors who had an unhealthy obssession with that kinda pop stomper having exhausted the soul releases on UK. Im sure most of us were looking for the next... Well it could be any of hundreds but let's say Salvadores. ROD
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Deep Funk And N/soul What The Funkin' Hell
The only reaction to Mel Britt was a mad scramble to try and get a copy!! I presume you're using it as an example of an adverse reaction to the introduction of more 70's tracks when to my recollection at the Mecca there were extremely few if any complaints when the Carstairs,James Fountain, Imperial Wonders on up to Danny Hunt, Danny Reed,Lost Family etc got played as the structure of the songs were no different to those of the 60's. I'd say mutterings only began when tracks popular on the NY disco scene began to creep in [such as T-Connection, Vickie Sue Robinson] and in a lot of instances were spun in their 12" format. Even then I'd say they didn't cause that much friction until that kinda sound began to dominate the playlist. To be honest I never even equated Mel with the 70's. No idea when it was made and it certainly doesn't sound much past '71/'72 to me. ROD
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Deep Funk And N/soul What The Funkin' Hell
I take your point Bearsy and Steve but maybe slightly different in that for the first 5 years or so until Mr. Levine 60's was the only thing we heard. Maybe 1% new releases in a throwback style such as "My man's a sweet man" or something. Anyway stop backchatting your elders and get those bedrooms tidied up. ROD
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Deep Funk And N/soul What The Funkin' Hell
Im not saying you or Butch did play JB-style funk. I quite like it anyway. But I have heard "Think" Lynn Collins at Heywood a couple of years back which is epitome of JB style. Surprised but hey, it's a great record. ROD
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Deep Funk And N/soul What The Funkin' Hell
I think this may be an age-gap thing. I wish I were 40!! Im assuming if you were born in '68 you missed the formative years and what actually attracted some of us to the music/scene which was basically 60's 4/4 Motownesque 45s. I guess cos that was our first exposure we tend to use that as the template for what came after. How far it deviates from that would tend to influence our thinking on hearing new genres subsequently introduced. I think you can understand that if genres such as R&B or JB-style funk are brought within this rather wide church nowadays a sense of bemusement on our part is only natural when as Pete says we already had that choice years ago but rejected it. I've no idea what got played at the 100 Club but I can't imagine it was anything too outrageous. The clips on this thread don't appear to be funk to me and unless Im mistaken "Fever" was a popular 45 around 72/73 [unless she's done another on De'Luxe apart from "See and don't see refosoul I think Paul is being a bit harsh in comparing the openess of the European scene to parts of our own. Im sure there are plenty on here who are eager to hear the new 60's discoveries whilst perhaps not being that interested in a more eclectic mix on a regular basis. I dont think the two scenes are coming from the same place. ROD
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Deep Funk And N/soul What The Funkin' Hell
It's not a bad record but it ain't a Northern monster. If anyone does like that, then check out "Goin to see my Baby" and "Nija Walk" by them too. All on Perception. ROD
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Young Brothers
Thanks for that. Seems all Dave And I's big records were played by Keb or Rob Marriott. Discovered by Dave Raistick along with Limelights [uncle] which we bought of him at the same time. ROD
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Sale
Artistics - Girl i need you /Glad i met you - Brunswick (demo) Mint- £15 Reading yesterday that not too many bargains on SS. Well, here's one IMO. ROD
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Clubbed
Think you'll find that's Prince Omygod Ibeendun ROD
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Clubbed
You've been done by Nigerian scammers. I thought it was amusing and it was based on some film review I read about Iranian rural life. However, I'll get my goat. ROD
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So Whats Your Top Motown Northern Track
I'll second KevH's choice and add Miracles "My baby changes like the weather" ROD
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Clubbed
Only one star in the Guardian! As they usually only give five stars to Iranian films dealing with such diverse topics as the heartbreak of losing a favourite goat, the joy of finding a favourite goat, and Goats-the musical, I'd say it must be well-worth seeing. ROD