Jaco

Dont know whether or not there is anything earlier than this but Harry McClaskey ( a white tenor) had a 1918 recording on Okeh - "Good night little girl, good night"

It's on the album "That's the way love is" Tamla TS229. Doesn't appear to have had a single release.

2503 Lyn Collins - "Wheel of life/Just won't do right" 613 Lyn Collins - "Things got to get better/Women's lib" 622 Lyn Collins- "Don't make me over/Oh Uncle Sammy" 628 The Variations - "Sayin' it/Doin' it" 652 Fred & Funky Soul Train Gang - "All aboard funky soul train/Blessed blackness"

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Not a big fan at all - I don't own any Beatles stuff and I'm devoted to nobody. I simply accept how significant their contribution has been to music as a whole. To be pedantic I said that their influence is everywhere which you would not take literally - Pavarotti might be a good example, which is somewhat different to say that they influenced everything and everybody. As for singing for toffee, it may be true about McCartney but for f**ks sake you mentioned the Stereophonics!! Maybe Freebasing is a more apt place for this discussion, after all.

Well I can understand that they may not have changed your musical world and I was certainly more interested in Tamla Motown in the 60's than the Beatles output, but surely their influence is everywhere, including "soul" music. And yes they acknowledge that some of their early influences came from Black America but they transcend any limitations within any musical genres in one form or another. When you say that they are shit what exactly do you mean? They couldn't write, sing or play instruments? Their productions were dire, their lyrics poor? You don't have to know much about "popular music" to see that simply cannot apply here. This is not a thread about a "pop group" per se and there are plenty of threads about soul music greats but a simple statement as how magnificent the Beatles music is ought to be able to be made within this particular thread. As to the top 5 Y-Fronts thread, that's now been scratched from Webby's (seemingly endless) list. Shame.

Jocko, Given that you usually post meaningful and well constructed opinions on a variety of matters and stand your corner in a dogged manner, that comment is truely baffling. Why shouldn't soul fans like the Beatles music? They are the single most influential contributors to popular music ever and it is unlikely that we will ever see a collective group of musicians change the face of popular music in the way that they did. Is that brief answer sufficiently grounded in reality?

513 The Patrick Adams Initiative -"Kings and Queens/Touching you" 521 Sparkle - "Ain't never been there with you/That could be the reason" 542 Johnny Pate Orchestra - "Brother on the run(inst)/Brother on the run(short version)"

Mike, There can't be a single person on here who doesn't believe that that you have full justification in taking this course of action against Levine, particularly as you showed great patience during his latest spell on SS. Hopefully this draws a line under this sorry episode. However, if Trouble believes that he comes out of this with any semblance of credibility, then he is one seriously deluded fukcer. Even after you fukced Levine off, once and for all, he still wants a free for all. Jesus, some people just don't know when to give it a rest.

327 to 229.

Tan Geers

Anita Louis and Shelbra Bennett (joint)

What's that one record where the strings just simply lift your appreciation of the music to another level, altogether. For me it would the wonderful Garland Green - "Girl, I love you" Almost perfect in every aspect.

Dynavoice 219.

Purely as a guide Manships latest has it at £200.

Gareth, Fully understood, now.

Gareth, Manships 3rd guide has the Jimmy "Bo" Horn track as Dade 235. The scan of the label in Million Dollas of Rare Soul looks like it might be 235, but my poor vision doesn't help The 5000 series appear to be 5000 Ted Taylor - "Darling if you must leave/I lost the best thing I ever had" 5001 Jimmy Paris - "Esmerelda/Lost love" 5002 Sonny Til - "Someone up and told me/Open up your heart" 5003 Nat Hendrick and the Swans - "Wobble,wobble/Pt.2" 5004 Nat Hendrick and the Swans - "(Do the) mashed potato/Pt.2" 5005 Kitty Love - "The power of love/You gotta change" 5006 Yvonne Fair - "Straighten up/Say yeah yeah"

Macca, I would also extract something worth knowing from his Blues & Soul articles and his knowledge was unquestionable. My point about his writing style is not the character assassination that some might think. I'm not a vegetarian but have a sneeking admiration for those that adopt that lifestyle choice. Equally I am a fierce advocate of animal welfare rights. I have not read his tribute to Randy Couzens but would probably be moved by it. On this basis Dave Godin would be my kind of guy, if you know what I mean. That doesn't mean to say that I should admire every facet of his work - the humanitarian aspects are seperate from his journalistic style. It's as simple as that really.

Ok, lets try and keep this simple. As far as I'm aware nobody "is needing back up for a perspective they voiced" You and Pete Smith exchanged views on Dave Godin. Pete suggested that you start a thread about Dave's writing style which appeared to be the main crux of your annoyance. A thread was not forthcoming, so I started one. I said "discuss" and offered my opinion that I found his writing style impenetrable at times. With me so far? Other people have passed comment - that's what happens on threads. It just doesn't come down to a yes or no. People express opinions, people offer counter opinions and so it goes. I haven't read everthing that Dave Godin wrote, but what I did read and can remember was often unnecessarily wordy in the context of what was being written about. But you know that's just my opinion, a bit like yours but different. You seem to be angry that anybody should level any form of criticism at Dave Godin because he was a wonderful human being etc, but why should I not have the right to agree with Pete Smith's initial comments about his writing style? He was a journalist was he not? Does that make him beyond reproach, journalistic wise? You want a deeper debate and maybe others will take you up on that. Me, I haven't got much more to say because it seems that you don't want any alternative views on anything.

The point of the thread was to discuss somebody's journalistic style as this had been raised in a previous thread. Is there anything wrong in that? I know Dave Godin is no longer with us but we can surely debate his writing style without appearing to be unnecessarily negative.

In response to points raised in other threads. Dave Godin - jouranalistic doyen of the UK soul scene or over-rated wordsmith? Discuss. From my point of view I have some sympathy with Pete Smith's opinion. As much as I admired Godin's enthusiasm, knowledge and contribution to the soul scene, particularly in the 70's, I often found his writing style impenetrable and at times mildly pretentious. That is not to say that his place in the scene's history could be devalued - I'm talking about his style, and his style only.

Manship auction. Finished today. Do we know what it went for? Any guesses on who got it?

Bar-Bare 1264 Leroy King - "Mr darling/Tennessee waltz" 1299 Pop's Porter - "Baby put your legs upside the wall, let me see if you got bad blood/Pt. 2"