Robbk

Regarding those who think that Clifford Binns may have just been Edward Hamilton under a pseudonym, - Ihave seen photographs of Clifford Binns and Edward Hamilton, and they are clearly two different people. James Hendrix mentioned both of them in at least one interview.

The Clifford Binns recordings seem to have been made in early 1965. There seems to be a gap in Carrie releases between 1962 and early 1965, with Hendrix's activities from mid 1962 through the end of 1964 dealing with other labels (Cornell Blakely working with Berry Gordy for John Richbourg's Rich Records, Arabians on Staff Records, Big Red and The Comancheros on Arnold, and recordings by The Arabians, Edward Hamilton, Gearline Duckett, The Jackson Singers, Mack Arnold and The Blenders) that weren't released until later, on Carrie (South Carolina or Tennessee address), or Lanrod Records or on LaBeat, Mary Jane or Cool School Records.

This makes more sense.

Yes, clearly I should have stated Eddie Davis and billy Cardenas' labels (including not just Rampart, but also Faro, Linda and Whittier.

I'mpretty sure it was always based in L.A.

I agree with this. Never saw the navy blue one early, but saw the old design white DJ and powder blue store stocker in 1965. Never saw the Navy blue till 1969 or early '70s.

That font looks like L.A. 1963-67. I'd guess that he might have worked out of California.

I never heard that any of the three were related to each other. It's a pretty common name in English-speaking countries, and among African Americans.

I can't remember for sure whether it was 1020 or 1024. But, it probably WAS 1020, as I remember some discrepancy because of Lu Pine 120 being both the Joe Stubbs and Primettes' releases. It SHOULD have been 1024.

There is a district called The Rampart District. It is centered around Rampart Street, soutwest of Echo Park. It is populated mainly by Latinos, and has several gangs. I thought that Hector Gonzalez' labels were located in East l.A. But, maybe he, himself lived in The Rampart area.

I've always seen VJ 441 as "Tragic/Come to Me", and "Loving You" on Abner. But, i do think I remember seeing the Tragic/Loving You combo on VJ 441, as well. Maybe it was a later re-issue, when VJ was desperately releasing records to try to bring in cash?

The Four Tempos, Invinctbles, Soul-jers, Atlantics, Village Callers and Barry White had good records out on that label. Even Cannibal and The Headhunters, whose fast songs I don't like in the slightest, sang a few nice ballads for the label.

So THIS Ernie Fields is NO RELATION to the band leader I listened to in the '40s-'60s?

That's a great cut. Is that the SON of Ernie Fields who was the house band leader and arranger for Cash/Money records from 1953-63, and also recorded for Imperial and Rendezvous Records in the late '50s and early '60s? He can't be the same guy, he'd be 80 years old now.

There are printer errors all the time. The error could have been on a second issue, but the label owner decided to have the title changed by hand, as their publicity all had had the correct spelling. We had some printer errors on Airwave Records, despite having sent correct information to the printer.

No. The Kittens Three.

I have it on the plain pink label.

I'd vote for the powder blue (turquoise) being the older, as Bob stated, it has the older design, and i saw the powder blue and white DJs with that design when the record was out. I never saw the dark blue version until much later.

I've got a pink one I'll consider swapping, eventually (after the going price gets high enough).

I didn't know that The Five keys did any recording for any RCA label (or does that album include non-RCA recordings (maybe bought out later by RCA's conglomerate)?).

I had the 1000 series issue at one time, but traded it away, years ago.

Yes, Chicago, Detroit, L.A, SF, Cleveland, Cincinatti, etc. all had R&B bloomings with people who had later success in Soul music.

Here's OUR version:

That looks to me NOT like a "light blue" demo copy, but rather, a black on pure white demo, whose colour looks a bit grayish, caused by the scanning process. My black on white DJ copy looks like that. I've never seen the blue one, and never seen any Chex Record without a stamp, and with "Chex" scratched on. I've seen many Jay-Gee distributed issues on the cream-coloured block lettered Chex. But they all had a stamp (Sheldon?), and also the record number etched on, and no "Chex".

I was around at tha time the record came out, and remember only the white cream-coloured issue with block letters, that was also picked up by Jay-Gee fro national distribution, and the yellow and green "checkerboard" issue. i don't remember seeing the blue issue until the late 1970s or early 1980s. That doesn't mean that it's a boot, but I don't remember Chex using blue on other issues, and would be wary of pressings with no stamps, and only "Chex" scratched on.,