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Primettes sing backgrounds on "Teenage Queen" Craig Moerer is selling this studio demo record of "Teenage Queen" for $300,(same song as Joe Hunter and Fred Brown's J.J. Barnes' cut on Mickay's Records from 1963 - so he says), listing it as The Primettes backing up an unknown singer. I don't remember seeing "Teenage Queen" as one of the songs they performed backup. Martha and The Vandellas (Del-Fi's/Del-Phi's) backed up on many of the Joe Hunter/Fred Brown productions (even as late as early 1964). So, as Joe Hunter was still leading The Funk Brothers in mid 1964, he could have brought the Supremes in to moonlight in mid 1963 (while under contract to Motown, but still before they had any hits). OR, could Robert West have used The Primettes in 1960 or 1961, before they signed with Motown, and the song never had a release until J.J. Barnes' Mickay's release in 1963? However, the second scenario isn't very likely, asJ.J. Barnes wrote that song.

If I remember correctly, we DID have a Jobete Music acetate of that song, a 7-incher, with cream-coloured label, with only the song title typed on in red, and no artist listed. But, the master tape was used to record it for our LP. I never saw a Motown Record Corp. acetate of it, nor did I ever see a vinyl recording studio demo record of it.

The same is true for me. I've never seen any Motown acetates from the 1960s that look like that. I have to assume that it was a '70s project. And, ours was in-house, so it didn't need an approval acknowledgement requiring a logo placed on the acetate. I've also never seen a Motown acetate with one side scratched out. Also, that particular disc looks way too "modern" to have been used for recording a Satintones' song near the time of its release. Furthermore, The Satintones' song had been released, so, it couldn't have been part of our "From The Vaults" project, as we hadn't chosen that for our LPs. And it couldn't have peen part of The 1982 or 1984 Motown, in-house unissued LP projects, as The Spinners' song had already been issued in 1979. So, clearly it is extremely unlikely that it was a Motown acetate.

I'll be curious to find out who made it and why. I suspect that Keith Hughes might be able to enlighten us.

I bought rare Detroit and Motown records from Cappy's Record Mart in the mid-late '60s and '70s. He always had good stocks of almost all Detroit records ever issued, so I guess he had a good relationship with his distributors. I don't know if he had any direct dealings with Motown. He and Bob Mays and Fortune Records were the places to go. I don't think his store is still operating. But maybe he still has some of his records. But, I haven't heard of him selling any over The Internet in the last 10 years.

The Intruders' song was a remake of "When We Get Married" by The Dreamlovers.

How can we hear it?

It was a Jobete Music acetate with no artist listed (none of them do), which I found in The Motown Vaults in 1976. I labeled it "The Fascinators" just as a placeholder. I never dreamed that it was Sammy Turner. We found that out later,from a recording log. Most of the unreleased acetates (both Motown and Jobete) I had while at Motown. I didn't "take any ªas other Motown workers did), and I never bought any, once they were auctioned off. So, I have none now. There was a Fascinators group in Detroit, who had releases on Your Copy Records in 1953, and Blue Lake Records in 1954. Originally, I had thought that The Fascinators on Bombay Records were derived from that group, as Detroiter Mike Hanks, was one of their main producers, and I lived in Chicago, and had never seen The Fascinators appear. But, we later found out that the Bombay group was totally from Chicago. In any case, I just used The Fascinators' name as a placeholder, as I used The Creations for "Say, Say Baby", before we knew The Serenaders recorded that.

Wasn't "Rat Race" released on Perfecta or ATAC in the '70s?

Too many great '60s unreleased cuts to choose just one: 1) A Tear from A Woman's Eye - Temptations 2) Suspicion-Originals 3) Crying In The Night-Monitors 4)Baby, Hit and Run-Contours 5) All I Do (Is Think About You)-Tammi Terrell 6)Tears, Nobody and a Smile-Serenaders 7)Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde-Versatones 8)All I Have Left are Memories-Sammy Turner & Serenaders 9)On The Avenue-Jimmy Ruffin 10)Absent Minded Lover-Kim Weston Thatt's just Motown, and I've probably forgotten many others. There are many great Chicago Soul songs that were recorded in the '60s and not released during the vinyl era.

Those with the blue-green colouring and no diamond should be bootlegs. I never saw those in the '60s. I never saw them in USA. I used to go to distributors in Chicago, L.A. and San Francisco. I also traveled, looking for records all across USA and Canada. Surely I'd have seen those if they were legitimate during the '60s..

Mel Carter (of "The Love Test" - wink, wink, nudge, nudge -say no more!) had a long career as an actor in films and TV. Cuba Gooding Jr. a long-time actor. His father being a Soul singer. Adam Wade (perhaps marginal as a Soul singer) was a lng time actor in TV series, and host of a couple TV game shows.

I suspect THIS is the case. I'm sure he appeared on "Swingin' Time", and I think he was on one of the national shows, like "Shivaree" or "Shebang", or maybe one of the syndicated shows like "The Lloyd Thaxton Show" or Jerry Blavat.

Could be the one. The age is right. Matchett is a very unusual name. How many Ernestine Matchetts could there have been that were the correct age, and born in The South?

It should. It was released in 1977, as noted by its "P77" dating. I suspect that it wasn't pressed up by Bobby Robinson, and so, was a bootleg.

I believe that song was recorded in late 1961 or early 1962 for Bobby and Danny Robinson's Fury Records. That album has their Fury cuts.

I had an earlier issue of that list ranging only to mid 1976. Alco was Allied Steel Company.

I lived in L.A. for 9 months of 1969, and I made the regular rounds of Black Community record shops, thrift shops, discount stores, etc. and NEVER saw The Brilliant Korners, DJ issue. I doubt that there was a store stocker pressing. I'd have seen them. I saw just about everything, having friends at California Music (distributors), Sams, Flash, Pat's, Dolphin's of Hollywood, Crain's, Wenzel's Music Town, Ray Avery's, House of Music, etc. There must have been only a box of 25 DJs printed. And, I still would have expected to have seen one of them.

For 45s and EPs I use different walls for different geographical locations. I have a Detroit (w/Toledo) wall with Motown labels on top 5 shelves, then Golden World labels, Then Thelma, then Correc-Tone, then Solid Hitbound, Mike Hanks labels, Robert West labels, Fortune, Carmen Murphy labels, etc. in descending order of their importance to my taste, and order that they fit on the shelves. Within the labels, the records are in numerical order of the catalogue numbers. EPs after the 45s. Same goes for the Chicago(w/Milwaukee,St. Louis,Indianapolis) wall, with Chess/Checker/Argo/Cadet,Tuff/Parrot/Satellite related labels, VJ/Falcon/Abner/Tollie, Chance etc., Oneder-Ful/Mar-V-Lus/M-Pac, United/States, USA, Don Talty labels, Jack Daniels labels, and the rest. Also an L.A. San Francisco Bay Area, San Diego (so California wall) with Modern/Kent/RPM/Flair/Crown, Specialty, Money/Cash/Recorded in Hollywood/Hollywood/Lucky etc., Arvee,Ebb, SAR/Derby & related, Mira/Mirwood, Bobby Sanders labels, GNP Chreschendo, Era/Dore, Pacific Jazz/World Pacific, Blue Note, Dot, Flip, and the rest of L.A. and Music City, Fantasy/Galaxy and all the SF labels. I also have my biggest wall with multi-city Majors like Columbia labels(Okeh/Epic), Capitol(, Mercury(Smash/Philips/Blue Rock/Fontana/MRC/Wing/Ensign etc), Decca/Brunswick/Coral etc., RCA(Vik/Groove) etc., ABC & Dist. Warner Bros.(Loma, United Artists(Liberty/Imperial etc.) & Dist., Universal/MCA (Uni/ReVue/Kapp/Congress & related), I have one for Atlantic(ATCO & related), and a NY/NJ wall with Scepter-Wand & dist., Jubilee/Josie(Jay-Gee Dist), Bell/Amy/Mala & Dist., London & Dist., Bobby & Danny Robinson labels, Old Town & related, Prestige, Savoy, Apollo, Joe Davis labels, Sue and Dist., Colpix/Dimension, Daisy/Tiger/Red Bird/Blue Cat, Lenox, and The Rest. I have an Ohio/East Coast wall with Pennsylvania/Ohio/D.C./Baltimore,Boston,Louisville), dominated by King (King/Federal/De Luxe/Bethlehem & King Dist. labels), Way Out & related, Dominated by Philadelphia (Jamie/Guyden, Gotham & G&H - related labels, Cameo-Parkway, Swan, etc. Lastly, a smaller "Catch All" wall for Southern and non-California Western labels. UK, and European and US records of the year (usually about 2,000) are in my European abodes. Canadian records are with my US. My LPs are divided between US and Europe. They are also filed by City or region of label location. I do not have any list of what I have, on paper or computer file. I'm too old to start one now. I'd never finish it. If I manage to live another 20 years (to 90), I could potentially finish one. But, I'll probably have to work for a living until I can't physically work. As I'm a writer and artist, that point would be the point where I couldn't handle the work to make the list. I can't afford to hire someone to make the list. If I could afford THAT, I could afford to take enough time off work to list my records!

I have seen hundreds of both the Soulville and the Josie. It was a fairly common record. It got a fair amount of play on WVON. I NEVER saw it on Musicor. I suspect that is some sort of error. The odds are that it IS an error. But, let's not forget the situation with the UK Darrell Banks, in which the original pick up label was dropped before the official first pressing, and the 2nd pick up label put it out.

I believe that they released A Capella versions of the originals.

Tac-Ful (e.g. "Full of Tackles) was founded by US Footballers, Roosevelt Grier and a couple of his New York Giant or L.A. Rams teammates. Jim Brown started a label in Cleveland.

I'll try to remember to post some when I get back to my main 45s. Right now I'm in Muenchen, where I have mainly LPs.

Maybe his son was named "Drew"?

DoDe & DoDeRe, Prince(Prince Ella),GJM, Marton(I believe one of the 2 owners was named Martin), Stephanye (after Gene Redd Jr.'s daughter). Sylvia (Al Sears' wife, girlfriend or daughter?)Seroc (Al Sears),