Ian Dewhirst

Not at all mate. Having an opinion's what this forum is all about. And I understand your point entirely. But you could still have exclusive MP3's couldn't you? Or MP3 cover-ups for that matter. The tunes would still have to be discovered in the first place. I just think that I'd rather have my entire collection to choose from on a laptop, then I could play what I wanted, whenever I wanted and not be limited to just a box of records if you see what I mean... Also it could be a prudent move to think about the future. How many decks do you see these days which still have the 78rpm option? I know Blues Collectors who refuse to listen to any other format but they'd be hard-pressed to find any equipment to accomodate 'em these days LOL.... Ian D

Maybe we could hook up Butch's PC with the HMRC people then we'd all be happy LOL What's Butch's take on this? And would he get lynched if he turned up at a gig with a laptop with people KNOWING that he has the originals? Ian D

I hope you're not playing yours on the Starpoint decks Mark! I know what you're saying 'cos I felt exactly the same when I playing in the 70's - I even used to get sniffy about playing acetates back then..... However, we do have a choice these days and most people have a good idea who has decent taste (I hope). So would you get lynched if 80% of your set was on rare vinyl and 20% of well-chosen but impossible to find killers on CD/Digital.....? I dunno but I can guess LOL....... Ian D

Mmm. A much cheaper option and gets rid of human error perfectly! Now if we could only find a laptop which could dig out unknown rarities........ Ian D

Yeah but boots are already established 'cos they've already been bootlegged. Plus, judging by most of the threads on here, there's only so many times that people want to hear the same old stuff. I'm really talking about mega rarities which haven't been booted if you see what I mean......... Also there is that side of me which knows that if you play a rare record on 50 different decks it will get trashed eventually.......... Ian D

Mmm. I see your point, but on the other hand it seems to me that you'd need at least £100K to be a top jock these days based on values alone wouldn't it? The bigger choice option would surely widen the playlists and then it would be down to someone's impeccable taste that decides whether they're successful or not surely? Ian D

Haha LOL! In Mike's case could well do - he travels a lot - usually promoting Manifesto I have to say. Just seen Steve H's post as well, so I've no doubt between Dave, Steve and myself we'll get it sorted. Best, Ian D

Just seen a post in another thread which reminded me of an earlier post I made which was buried away in another subject so I thought I'd revive it just out of curiosity. Namely: does it make any sense to play highly rare and valuable original records @ different venues these days? Surely it doesn't make a lot of sense to play impossibly rare records out at every gig these days does it? It's one way to wear your records out too fast. Especially styrene pressings - I ruined 2 copies of Morris Chestnut, 2 Tobi Legends, 1 Gerri Grainger, I Al Jones and countless others that way, so if you now have 'em in your collection and get annoyed from the hiss and spluttering at the beginning, then you probably have a deejay's old copy! Also, the way things are moving these days, even CD's are becoming out-of-date - the growth is now in digital formats as much as it kills me to say it. But, from a personal point of view, I think it makes more sense for a DJ to have 10,000 songs at his disposal so he can play what he wants without being limited to a single box of records. Maybe that could be one way to brighten up the playlists possibly? I know the Northern scene is naturally dominated by records but I'm not sure how relevent actually owning the original vinyl is going to be in years to come. Right now it's like a 'badge of honour' to own the original vinyl but how many of the crowd would be aware whether a track was played on the original vinyl or on CD? Less than 1% I reckon.........Also, the CD version would probably sound better than a well-played vinyl copy I'm saddened to say..... Don't get me wrong - I love vinyl as much as anyone - I still have a couple of rooms full of it, but I don't see what's so wrong with having the choice of playing both vinyl and CD/Digital. Does it make, say, an unreleased Kent track any better by playing an acetate of it, when it was probably cut from a CD in the first place? Also, I notice that several DJ's on other scenes are playing custom-pressed double-sided copies of their own rarities on bespoke one-off new vinyl pressings. So they're not playing the originals, they're playing re-dubbed versions of their own rare records on a newer piece of plastic. Well, if you do that, then surely it's got be easier to carry 10,000 tunes on a laptop hasn't it? I notice this is happening more and more with DJ's who play internationally. Freight charges, customs and even foreign Taxes are killing 'em if they carry vinyl these days. Also, it's a risk - would you risk your vinyl collection to baggage handlers around the world? Especially Northern collections! Or do you take 100 records only and limit your choice? I'm writing this at the time when, in the mainstream market, commercially, the vinyl format is now just about dead and the CD will be dead from mid next year in my opinion (going by the annual declines, store closures and distributors going bust). This'll be a hiding to nothing here, but is it really worth playing that mega valuable rarity out and diminishing it's quality and lifespan with every play? At least when I wore out my vinyl copies in the mid 70's I could replace 'em a lot cheaper than now........ So, as probably the pre-eminent vinyl collectors forum in the world, what are the views of Soul Source members? Ian D

Great minds think alike dude. Ian

I know Mike's been away just recently. Also he's almost as bad as Neil Rushton for returning phone calls but he's a mate so I'll give him a buzz tomorrow and voice everyone's concerns and tell him to pull his finger out! Best, Ian D

I've got a feeling The Crow were a white garage band from the East Coast just to make things even more difficult LOL........... Someone on here will know won't they.....? Ian D

And lest we forget wasn't it Dave Godin who coined the word 'Northern Soul' and then promply sold his (only) copy of the 'funky' "Your Autumn Of Tomorrow" to Colin Curtis? Confused? Moi.....? Ian D

Also worth checking for uptempo/Northern James Brown are:- There Was A Time (better than Gene Chandler's in my opinion) Hey America (I think this used to be played at some Northern venues - especially the inst) I Love You (For Sentimental Reasons) - just great Ian D

Haha LOL. You hit the nail on the head Dave. I remember the same arguements from '74 when Boby Franklin, Frankie Crocker, Phase 11, Prince George were being played........ But I was never too keen on Snoopy Dean....... Ian D

Hi Mark, I have a nice original promo of "We Got To Keep On" - it's my all-time favourite male duo recording. Out of curiosity, what do you want to pay for it? I do have it on CD as well............ Ian D

Two New York fingersnappers...... "You Made Me This Way" - Ila Vann "Can't Help Loving That Man" - Ila Vann Ian D

I always thought "I'm Getting On Life" - Wombat was a weird one. What market did they think they were aiming at..........? Ian D

A ridiculous bootleg. No there was no demand at the time to my recollection and I think it was the only album track on OOTP. Might be an idea for another thread though: "Ridiculous Bootlegs For Which There Was Never A Demand" For instance, Lou Courtney "Me And You Doing The Boogaloo" which was a Selectadisc boot. I never understood why this was bootlegged........ Ian D

Only by a technicality John. Selectadisc and our French Moroccan friend were in business for years. He pressed 'em in the U.S. and Selectadisc distributed 'em in the UK exclusively I seem to remember. You're quite right though - it wasn't as blatant as the O.O.T.P. stuff which I hated because even the labels were uninspiring..... Ian D

Yep, the early U.K. Invictus pressings of "Why Can't We Be Lovers" all seemed to have the same problem - must've been a pressing fault.......... Ian D

75p @ Jim Wilson's in Shoreditch in 1973 LOL.....he had a few water-damaged ones. A lot people missed it originally 'cos they thought they were a doo-wop group......... Ian D

Also worth noting that the UK white-label promo-only 12" of the Originals "Down To Love Town" is a different mix from the US 12". I think the UK pressed up the album version and put it on the promo 12", so that's definitely an oddball rarity...... Ian D

It's done well for an old Soul Bowl cheapy hasn't it? Used to be 75p I think. Wish I'd bought a box of em LOL..... Ian D

Always a good idea to do 'due diligence' I think. The Ringleaders was a common record in the early 70's - it used to be in everyone's sales boxes and was routinely listed @ anywhere between 50p-£1.00. Mind you, I wish I'd kept a copy of every cheapy over the years! There's loads of hugely expensive records now which were cheapies on Brian '45' Phillips lists and also lots which were cheapies on Soul Bowl's 70's lists as well. Fascinating subject though. Plus you can't always make assumptions about the rarity of certain labels either. I famously turned down one of the first Billy Woods for £3.00 because it was on the Sussex label which generally pressed everything in massive quantity - The Soul Searchers, Bill Withers, Creative Source, Dennis Coffey etc, etc, so I just figured that there'd be at least a few thousand of 'em knocking around..... Sadly for me I never did find another Billy Woods on Sussex - EVER! It's always pissed me off - I even spoke to the owner of the label, Clarence Avant and he couldn't even remember it........ Ian D

Haha LOL. This is so typical of the wonderful world of Northern Soul. Firstly a record get covered up as The Masqueraders. Then the Masqueraders gets uncovered and turns out to be The Parliaments. But it's the 'wrong' Parliaments. In 1974 we used to play George Clinton's "Please Don't Run From Me". But it turned out to be the 'wrong' George Clinton.... Quelle coincidence. Only on the Northern scene......... Ian D