I've had a copy donkey's years but how can I tell if it is legit or a boot?

Thanks

Steve

I've had a copy donkey's years but how can I tell if it is legit or a boot?

Thanks

Steve

Hi Steve

Apparently on one press there is a Capitol "Daisy Stamp" in the DEAD WAX

Another press has the Triangle with 3 letters contained within it.

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However,

I bought 2 Copies from a Trusted Source in the 70's & I can't find a Stamp on either.

I will scan the record again as the above scan is from my old scanner.

Edited September 25, 200915 yr by 45cellar

I've had a copy donkey's years but how can I tell if it is legit or a boot?

Thanks

Steve

Yep, "daisy wheel" also print quality is poor on some boots.

Oh, and play the B side if you haven't already.

Cheers,

John.

Yep, "daisy wheel" also print quality is poor on some boots.

Oh, and play the B side if you haven't already.

Cheers,

John.

Marsha Gee - Baby I Need You -

Here's one of my copies, Although I'm unable to find a Daisy Stamp.

Difficult to take a Photo at this time of night but this is the scratched in Matrix on my copy

(Which Does NOT Have A Daisy Stamp as far as I can tell)

"45---67023 - F-1----1"

Edited September 25, 200915 yr by 45cellar

Here's one of my copies, Although I'm unable to find a Daisy Stamp.

Difficult to take a Photo at this time of night but this is the scratched in Matrix on my copy.

"45---67023 - F-1----1"

That's exactly what I have scratched on mine (definite original from reputable dealer around 1978), the 1 is stamped? The daisy wheel is about a third of the way round the disc from that.

Best,

John.

Edited September 25, 200915 yr by John Al

That's exactly what I have scratched on mine (definite original from reputable dealer around 1978), the 1 is stamped? The daisy wheel is about a third of the way round the disc from that.

Best,

John.

Don't think my copy is stamped, but I will check in daylight tomorrow.

"45---67023 - F-1----1" Is the stamp this side of the Number

Edited September 25, 200915 yr by 45cellar

Don't think my copy is stamped, but I will check in daylight tomorrow.

"45---67023 - F-1----1" Is the stamp this side of the Number

Yes it is and the second 1 is stamped too.

Actually I notice that where your label says "A Wright-Hanson Production" mine says "Produced by: E.Ray"

Curious!

John.

Just looked at mine.

I know hard to tell from image but 45Cellar's copy looks matt whilst mine is shiny label.

Stamped matrix 45-67023-P1 with triangle couple of inches away.

Differences on label:-

BABY, I NEED YOU all on one line

Hyphen between BMI and 2:34 shorter in length

"A Wright-Hanson" all on one line.

ROD

Yes it is and the second 1 is stamped too.

Actually I notice that where your label says "A Wright-Hanson Production" mine says "Produced by: E.Ray"

Curious!

John.

Hi John

Many Thanks for Info.

My copy the second number doesn't appear to be stamped in any way as far as I can tell. Just scratched I or 1

Actually I notice that where your label says "A Wright-Hanson Production" mine says "Produced by: E.Ray"

Now that is something I definitely wasn't aware of, both my copies have "A Wright-Hanson Production" Both Sides.

Edited September 25, 200915 yr by 45cellar

Hi John

Many Thanks for Info.

My copy the second number doesn't appear to be stamped in any way as far as I can tell. Just scratched I or 1

Now that is something I definitely wasn't aware of, both my copies have "A Wright-Hanson Production" Both Sides.

You're very welcome.

My label is matt finish by the way.

Bit late now but I'll see if I can get some scans up tomorrow. Meanwhile we'll see what others say.......

Cheers,

John.

Just looked at mine.

I know hard to tell from image but 45Cellar's copy looks matt whilst mine is shiny label.

Stamped matrix 45-67023-P1 with triangle couple of inches away.

Differences on label:-

BABY, I NEED YOU all on one line

Hyphen between BMI and 2:34 shorter in length

"A Wright-Hanson" all on one line.

ROD

Hi Rod

My Copy of "HEARTBEAT" has Shiny Label with STAMPED Matrix & Triangle

Edited September 26, 200915 yr by 45cellar

Hi Steve

Apparently on one press there is a Capitol "Daisy Stamp" in the DEAD WAX

Another press has the Triangle with 3 letters contained within it.

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However,

I bought 2 Copies from a Trusted Source in the 70's & I can't find a Stamp on either.

I will scan the record again as the above scan is from my old scanner.

Send em back,was it done in canada they dont stamp there stuff !!

You're very welcome.

My label is matt finish by the way.

Bit late now but I'll see if I can get some scans up tomorrow. Meanwhile we'll see what others say.......

Cheers,

John.

Hi John

Thanks Again, I've Just been on >>> PopSike.com <<< All have "A Wright-Hanson Production".

Hi John

Thanks Again, I've Just been on >>> PopSike.com <<< All have "A Wright-Hanson Production".

Good mornin'

interesting re popsike - are they all stamped?

Scanned mine in although the markings are very difficult to see, even on the record.

If your eyes (or specs) are good and you zoom in you can see the stamped 1 directly above the U in "YOU" and the daisy wheel to the left of the I in "I Need You". The scratched markings don't seem to have come out at all to my eyes but they are around the edge running approx from the E in GEE round to the e in Smashville.

.....and of course "Produced by: E. Ray"

It came in Uptown sleeve too.

Best,

John

havnt got this but i think theres 2 origs east coast and west

one has a shiney ..gloss label

Edited September 26, 200915 yr by TOAD

Good mornin'

interesting re popsike - are they all stamped?

Scanned mine in although the markings are very difficult to see, even on the record.

If your eyes (or specs) are good and you zoom in you can see the stamped 1 directly above the U in "YOU" and the daisy wheel to the left of the I in "I Need You". The scratched markings don't seem to have come out at all to my eyes but they are around the edge running approx from the E in GEE round to the e in Smashville.

.....and of course "Produced by: E. Ray"

It came in Uptown sleeve too.

Best,

John

Hi John

One on PopSike Mentions Daisy Stamp.

PopSike.com

This one mentions RE-ISSUE but doesn't give detail.

PopSike.com

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Yes, I can just about make out the Daisy Stamp on your Scan & the STAMPED 1.

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Still can't find the Daisy Stamp on my copy.

Edited September 26, 200915 yr by 45cellar

This is strange, I replied to this yesterday and it hasn't shown up!

My original has the daisy stamp at 9 o clock and an I stamp at 11 o clock, on the B side this is reversed, daisy at 3 o clock and I at 5 o clock

This is strange, I replied to this yesterday and it hasn't shown up!

My original has the daisy stamp at 9 o clock and an I stamp at 11 o clock, on the B side this is reversed, daisy at 3 o clock and I at 5 o clock

Thanks Pete

Almost certain now that my copies have Daisy Stamp missing, as I have checked both sides.

This is one of the most frustrating ones - mine has the 1 scratched in, matt label, bought in late '76 before that awful speeded up boot appeared, and it took me almost the entire niter to prise it from the seller. I certainly wasn't aware at the time of an Uptown boot, never been convinced since and wonder if it was just another run done at a smaller pressing plant?

This is one of the most frustrating ones - mine has the 1 scratched in, matt label, bought in late '76 before that awful speeded up boot appeared, and it took me almost the entire niter to prise it from the seller. I certainly wasn't aware at the time of an Uptown boot, never been convinced since and wonder if it was just another run done at a smaller pressing plant?

This is one of the most frustrating ones - mine has the 1 scratched in, matt label, bought in late '76 before that awful speeded up boot appeared, and it took me almost the entire niter to prise it from the seller. I certainly wasn't aware at the time of an Uptown boot, never been convinced since and wonder if it was just another run done at a smaller pressing plant?

Hi Jerry

When I bought my copies, I too wasn't aware of a BOOT or RE-ISSUE,

Considering the fact that both my copies were from Soul Bowl, I was astounded to find no Stamp.

I can only think that "another run done at a smaller pressing plant" could be the answer, but nothing documented.

Thanks guys my copy only has 45-67023-F1 1 scratched into deadwax so sounds like a 70s pressing although I hope Jerry and 45Cellar are correct and its from a small pressing plant hence no stamp

I was so trusting when I was young 30+ years ago

So how much is it worth?

Cheers

Steve

Edited September 26, 200915 yr by Guest

When I bought my copies, I too wasn't aware of a BOOT or RE-ISSUE,

Considering the fact that both my copies were from Soul Bowl, I was astounded to find no Stamp.

Soul Bowl sold reissues mixed with originals on the Northern Specials part of the list.

It was only records on the Northern Rarites page that where guaranteed originals.

So it depends which list page you bought them off.

Soul Bowl sold reissues mixed with originals on the Northern Specials part of the list.

It was only records on the Northern Rarites page that where guaranteed originals.

So it depends which list page you bought them off.

Yes, I have kept most of my lists, going to have a look later.

Plus, when I find the time, I have a suitcase full of Soul Bowl Mailers.

As I keep my records in poly-lined cardboard sleeves

I decided to keep the paper sleeves in the mailer normally with records bought in pencil written on each mailer.

When the records arrived the Mailer stored Company Sleeves.

Found this kept the sleeves in good order & now years later Invaluable for Info (Date Of Purchase) etc.

Edited September 26, 200915 yr by 45cellar

Hi John

One on PopSike Mentions Daisy Stamp.

PopSike.com

This one mentions RE-ISSUE but doesn't give detail.

PopSike.com

Slightly off topic - how do you manage to scan records with black labels, or predominantly black labels and get such a good result?

When I try, the scanner doesn't seem to be able to recognise the label boundaries and the result is often only half a label etc. Any tips please, apart from scanning it in a white sleeve?

Thanks Mick

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Yes, I can just about make out the Daisy Stamp on your Scan & the STAMPED 1.

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Still can't find the Daisy Stamp on my copy.

Hi Mick

I use a free program

https://www.xnview.com/

Using proffesional mode has different scan options.

Hi Mick

I use a free program

https://www.xnview.com/

Using proffesional mode has different scan options.

Thanks for this - I'll give it a go

Mick

So two originals on this one matt finish,one gloss finish both have the machine stamped number 1 and

stamped daisy matrix,and clear label print deffinition.

And the boot no machine stamped matrix`s hand scratched in numbers and poor print details

compared to the original,thanks...

Dave f.......

Thanks guys my copy only has 45-67023-F1 1 scratched into deadwax so sounds like a 70s pressing although I hope Jerry and 45Cellar are correct and its from a small pressing plant hence no stamp

I was so trusting when I was young 30+ years ago

So how much is it worth?

Cheers

Steve

Wishfull thinking on there part,lol..

Yes, it is documented that there should be a Daisy Stamp or the Triangle with 3 letters in it.