Can anyone tell me how this came to be associated with the scene.

As far back as I can remember it has been on patches, flyers etc but I have never heard anyone actually say it except in jest.

Also did the black fist that is also on patches, t shirts etc. come from the black power movement.

Just curious, not having a go at patches or t shirts with logo`s.

title amended. Shane

Edited November 16, 200519 yr by Guest

Can anyone tell me how this came to be associated with the scene.

As far back as I can remember it has been on patches, flyers etc but I have never heard anyone actually say it except in jest.

Also did the black fist that is also on patches, t shirts etc. come from the black power movement.

Just curious, not having a go at patches or t shirts with logo`s.

No one should say it unless they've paid their dues in my opinion.

Right On

Yes, the Black Power movement. Especially the black fist, hence our Wheel going ancestors wearing one black driving glove

Yes, the Black Power movement. Especially the black fist, hence our Wheel going ancestors wearing one black driving glove

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Thank you Mr Attenborough

Probably Dave Godin. "keep the faith...Right on now!" being a fave of his in early 'Blues and Soul' articles!.

Yes, the Black Power movement. Especially the black fist, hence our Wheel going ancestors wearing one black driving glove

no, that's golfers pete.

Edited November 16, 200519 yr by Dan

Probably Dave Godin. "keep the faith...Right on now!" being a fave of his in early 'Blues and Soul' articles!.

Agree. And even at the time it was slightly silly.

no, that's golfers pete.

And Dr Strangelove..."Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"

Yes, the Black Power movement. Especially the black fist, hence our Wheel going ancestors wearing one black driving glove

I had a pair of driving gloves. I got them one Saturday night before the train journey to Manchester as part of some deal involving chemicals. Of course the guy who had given them to me hadn't actually owned them. He'd stolen them from one of his "friends". You couldn't meet a friendlier, more honest group of music lovers in those days. The next day I was pestered with : "Give us me gloves!" "Yeah, give 'im is gloves." I never did; and if I'd known they would become an article of anthroplogical interest I'd have looked after them instead of using them to mix concrete in later days.

The saying was first associated with the scene thanks to Dave Godin. Used to love his column, but was he a pessimist!

Sorry but me an me mates bought and wore the driving glove to stop our delicate little hand gettin' shitty whilst doin the ol' backdrops,presses etc,just keep the faith!

Always thought it was jon Bon Jovi me :tomato2:

'BREAKAWAY'

'STEVE KARMEN BAND FEATURING JIMMY RADCLIFFE

LISTEN TO THE LYRICS ??

MMMmmm,

my old boss has a landrover freelander with KTF as the reg. plate, how much would it go for on ebay? and should i sewed a few badges onto the headrests to add a further touch of class?

Can anyone tell me how this came to be associated with the scene.

As far back as I can remember it has been on patches, flyers etc but I have never heard anyone actually say it except in jest.

Also did the black fist that is also on patches, t shirts etc. come from the black power movement.

Just curious, not having a go at patches or t shirts with logo`s.

back in the late 70's whenst visiting Wigan etc i used to knock around with some of the Derby lot (I think) still have letters from someone i used to write to a girl that got me into Bela Delaney (As they do!) Anyway they used to have a derivitve saying of Keep the faith it was "Eat the cake" anyone one else remember this? or is it me hallucinating Like i'm the only one that remembers the coach load getting on the stage at Wigan in Richards spot and singing Ain't got nothing but the blues.

DJ

title amended. Shane

'BREAKAWAY'

'STEVE KARMEN BAND FEATURING JIMMY RADCLIFFE

LISTEN TO THE LYRICS ??

Haven't played this for years, i used to hammer it when i lived with my parents all those years ago..

Great stuff

Can anyone tell me how this came to be associated with the scene.

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The expression came from Billy Cragg, the scene's own, longstanding, multi-venued and more recently, resident Lowton Civic Hall doorman.

Not only was Billy heard spluttering the immortal phrase 'firsthand' by at least 40 or more people, including some well-known 'early scene' faces, but also a previously unknown 'taped' recording, capturing Billy's original phrasing, 3 times in rapid succession, is clearly the much respected endorsement to this fact. The now priceless tape was uncovered over 2 years after Billy coined the phrase and more notably, it was on the A side run-off of a rare, Japanese (5 pack-UK only) Hi-Metal Silver-Series, Philips AD 120 audio cassette, complete with it's blank card inset, (pencil marked along the rib with "Casino 74") plus it's original case. It was unearthed, as we all now know, by Big Gobby Gobball from Batley. The actual recording was captured one particularly humid Summer night back in 74, inside the doorway of the Casino, within seconds of Billy's debut Allnighter appearance as a doorman. Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, Hilda hadn't prepared him for the Casino's classic first 2 tunes that always got played just after the doors opened, 'I Sneak In With The In Crowd' followed, as always by Mike Walker's (Casino manager) favourite, 'You Gotta Pay Your Dues'! Both tunes now affectionately known on the scene as the legendary '2 after 2'.

On the night in question, as the Casino's massive, double-doors opened, thousands of eager speeding Soulies crammed themselves onto the entrance stairs up to the pay desk. They all knew that the opening bar from the first of the '2 after 2' tunes was Hilda's cue to start allowing them in. It must have seemed like hours before the first record came over the speakers, but as it did, Billy, alone and nervous, suddenly knew he was no match and even less prepared, for the initial torrent of frantic, pep-eyed Soulies. In they came. The first wave bulldozed through him with such a tremendous speed he didn't have time to think. Poor Billy was engulfed as he frantically reached for their tickets. Unbeknown to Billy, the first die-hard Soulies sensed he was a 'rookie' and had already armed themselves with talc and deodorant cannisters. Plumes of Brut and High Karate filled the stairway as Billy helplessy dropped to the floor. It must have felt like he was in the middle of a rugby scrum! Billy wasn't a man to stay down though, and as he lay on the concrete steps, he quickly gathered his thoughts. In the back of his head he could still hear the faint instructions from Mike Walker given earlier; "Billy, don't be a hero and also make sure you rip the tickets into 2 halves and give them back the top half that says 'Wigan Casino' on it."

Before you could shout, 'where's me gear', Billy started to rise. But just as he grappled blindly through the thick clouds of Brut mist and flailing Adidas bags, his top set of teeth were knocked loose. It didn't matter though, Billy had a job to do, he had to follow Mike's instructions and let the Soulies know they had to retain the top half of their tickets. So, with no top teeth, one outstretched arm and the ripped bottom half of the tickets held aloft, it was at this exact moment he was heard to shout those immortal broken and muffled, toothless words to all the Soulies.........."Don't loothe your tickeths, if you want to go out again, you've got to keep the faith."

You can trace the term back to 1966, in the title of The Citations "To Win The Race (Keep The Faith)". There was also a Kim Melvin single on Hi, simply titled "Keep The Faith" - I believe this was the other side of "Doing The Popcorn".

You can trace the term back to 1966, in the title of The Citations "To Win The Race (Keep The Faith)". There was also a Kim Melvin single on Hi, simply titled "Keep The Faith" - I believe this was the other side of "Doing The Popcorn".

Keep the faith probably goes back a bit further than the 60s, I expect Jesus said something like it, and I know for sure he had a glove.