Picked up Its all over but the pain today from a guy in america for $20. I personally love this song,buy i havent heard it played since Stafford,and i cant recall ever seeeing it on any for sale lists or playlists or even mentioned in any way shape or form. Just wondered what any of you thought. Also is 11 quid a good price or is it worth about 50p !!!

cheers Tabitha.

Think it sells for about £30 on Philips, Tabitha - got yourself a bargain there!!

Incidentally, I wonder if Big Frank Murphy is actually Big Frank as in The Essences?? Anyone got any ideas on this??

Gene

One and the same, I believe.

Thanks Gene for info. Like i said ive always loved this so im well happy!

Big Frank is Frank Dell of " He broke your game wide open " fame

Big Frank is Frank Dell  of " He broke your game wide open " fame

Which Big Frank? Myrphy or & The Essences? If it's Big Frank Murphy he really should decide on a sur-name and keep the bloody thing...(!)...

The ESSENCES BIG FRANK is FRANK DELL

Great track, havn't heard it played out for many years, well worthy of some spins methinks.

Lots of nice stuff on the label that gets overlooked.

Paul

great record tabitha that i play out now and again. you got a bargain - i paid £40 for mine (black issue) earlier this year at a record fair in manchester

grant

Frank Dell, Big Frank Murphy, Big Frank & The Essence are all the same guy. Really underrated soul singer. All his records are pretty good at least.

Yep totally aggree. Love 'Broke Your Game' and 'See Me Cry', can't bring other one to mind...

How much is 'Broke Your Game' worth nowadays? I know Shifty listed one for £200...

Frank Dell, Big Frank Murphy, Big Frank & The Essence are all the same guy. Really underrated soul singer. All his records are pretty good at least.

Vastly underrated man, could do with a listing of his releases just to hear more.

So this may rule out Big Frank that plays dominoes down the 'vic. Somebody spilt his pint last week,lol.

H

If you have Real1 you can hear 'Broke Your Game' here and 'See Me Cry' here. And speaking of 'the same man with a different name'... Is Harry Starr the Harry of Harry & The Keyavas? Same trumendously powerful voice... same singing style... Same man methinks... And is Scotty Williams the TJ Williams of TJ Williams & The Two Shades Of Soul? Christ! Worra mouthful !

Don't think Scotty Williams and TJ Williams are the same artist...

Picked up Its all over but the pain today from a guy in america for $20. I personally love this song,buy i havent heard it played since Stafford,and i cant  recall ever seeeing it on any for sale lists or playlists or even mentioned in any way shape or form. Just wondered what any of you thought. Also is 11 quid  a good price or is it worth about 50p !!!

cheers Tabitha.

Heard it the odd time since the 80's but not very often. Got plenty of life in it me thinks. About £50 nowadays I think.

Don't think Scotty Williams and TJ Williams are the same artist...

Sound exactly the same...

Glad you agree with me.Strange how some records seem to get totally overlooked or just plain forgotten about.

Is Harry Starr the Harry of Harry & The Keyavas? Same trumendously powerful voice... same singing style... Same man methinks...

Yup, pretty certain they're the same.

Al

If you have Real1 you can hear 'Broke Your Game' here and 'See Me Cry' here. And speaking of 'the same man with a different name'... Is Harry Starr the Harry of Harry & The Keyavas? Same trumendously powerful voice... same singing style... Same man methinks... And is Scotty Williams the TJ Williams of TJ Williams & The Two Shades Of Soul? Christ! Worra mouthful !

Is Harry Starr the Harry of Harry & The Keyavas? Same trumendously powerful voice... same singing style... Same man methinks

One and the same. Ray Pennington his real name I think. I'm just doing a cd for his wife of the tracks I've got. Need the a soundfile of the flip to If This Is Goodbye and I'm certain he did another on IPG as Harry & Keyavas any further help much appreciated.

Didn't do any others on IPG, in fact there were only five or so releases on the label, and only one was by him. 'If This Is Goodbye' also came out on End.

Attached soundbite of flip to 'If This Is Goodbye', it's called 'Tears'. It's like 'Sugar Dumpling', he even sounds a bit like Cookie!

Mark

Didn't do any others on IPG, in fact there were only five or so releases on the label, and only one was by him. 'If This Is Goodbye' also came out on End.

Attached soundbite of flip to 'If This Is Goodbye', it's called 'Tears'. It's like 'Sugar Dumpling', he even sounds a bit like Cookie!

Mark

My mate Andy Dyson wasn't sure but he though he had another on IPG by Harry & Keyavas and one on IPG by Ray Pennington. Cheers for the soundfile.

Didn't do any others on IPG, in fact there were only five or so releases on the label, and only one was by him. 'If This Is Goodbye' also came out on End.

Attached soundbite of flip to 'If This Is Goodbye', it's called 'Tears'. It's like 'Sugar Dumpling', he even sounds a bit like Cookie!

Mark

Could you send the soundfile off list as an MP3. The one you posted has a VIP extension and players can't read it.

Take this link:

IPG discography

Could you send the soundfile off list as an MP3. The one you posted has a VIP extension and players can't read it.

Forgot, there's more like a dozen releases on IPG but I've only the one listed for Harry & Keyavas, I was sure I'd seen another though too.

Velvelettes There He Goes Ipg 1002

Joe E. Ross Ooh, Ooh IPG 1003

Darlene & Darla In Your Imagination Ipg 1005

Ray Saporita Baby Sitter Ipg 1006

Jay Wiggins Sad Girl Ipg 1008

Rusty Evans Ace Of Sorrow Ipg 1010

Harry & Keyavas If This IS Goodbye Ipg 1011

Bobby Salvatore Big Al Ipg 1012

Jay Wiggins Forgiven Forget Ipg 1015

Vito Picone Path In The Wilderness Ipg 1016

Jay Wiggins I Work So Hard Ipg 3002

Jay Wiggins You're On My Mind Ipg 3001

As far as I know, Mr. Starr had the two End releases, 'Another Time/Step' & 'If This Is Goodbye/Tears' (whih is actually credited to Harry Starr with vocal accompaniment by The Keyavas) and the IPG release.

The file's seazed up so I canny change format. Sorry.

As far as I know, Mr. Starr had the two End releases, 'Another Time/Step' & 'If This Is Goodbye/Tears' (whih is actually credited to Harry Starr with vocal accompaniment by The Keyavas) and the IPG release.

The file's seazed up so I canny change format. Sorry.

He also did "Live It Up"

Oh yeah, that was the unreleased thing wasn't it.

Oh yeah, that was the unreleased thing wasn't it.

I think so but it was released on the End Story cd.

One and the same. Ray Pennington his real name I think. I'm just doing a cd for his wife of the tracks I've got. Need the a soundfile of the flip to If This Is Goodbye and I'm certain he did another on IPG as Harry & Keyavas any further help much appreciated.

Hi ex btw is Elouise Pennington of the Spellbinders/Ad Libs.