This was originally going to be a reply to the "what other music floats your boat? " thread but i decided to start a new one with it

I personaly like all kinds of music & my record/cd collection ranges from classical to led zep, but no genre invokes such passion in me as rare/northern soul !

Contradicting that statement, I can't get my head round rap music !! I find the gratuitous swearing (swallowed the dictionary this morning, just need to swallow the how to spoll book now ) & the hate in the lyrics hard to stomach !! Add to that the constant use of just one or two bass drum beats & it just gets on your nerves. I was standing outside my son's room the other day (no tell a lie i was about two streets away from his bedroom !!) & all i could hear was this sound like someone playing the bass riff from "Ultravox Vienna" on the bass drum & it just went on & on !! I eventually pointed this out to him, to which he replied in his usual eloquant maner "It's better than that northern soul shit". He then proceded to fish out a handful of different rap tracks to prove that dad talks bollocks, & guess what ? Do Do, Dum Dum , Do Do - Do Do , Dum Dum , Do Do , Bloody Vienna again !! . "All right listen to this one" you got it ! Do Do , Dum Dum e.t.c . I think he then conceded the argument because the reply was "get lost now then cause' iv'e got to do my homework" Him do homework before 11 O'clock at night ? yeah !!

Another thing i find hard to understand about today's rap & black music is this. In the 60's when the biggest part of the music we love was produced, the black population were oppressed & discustingly treated like second class citizens & denied chances & basic rights, yet they sang mostley of love & happiness ? Yet today, when they are (in the main) treated, rightly, as equals they seem to want to sing about "killing yo mother fucker bastard e.t.c". Any psychoanalysts out there explain this ??

Back to my son, He got his own back on me !! (as hard as it was for me) I had to ask for his help with HTML when we were putting up the web site for the University Do, & the only way i could accsess the page was by using the password he set up. It was "Shitty Northern Soul" & the promt question if i had forgotten it, was "who is the greastest influence on your life" the answer ? "Michael Jackson" !!!! :angry:

Back to the broader point we are getting old, agree that the majority, especially the stuff the media covers is awful and disrespectful, and the kids imitating it are scary, if a little sad, however sure they said the same when some of you were running around with your safety pins and Vivienne Westwood ripped shirts

Cheers

Jock

i agree to an extent jock - there's always a tendency to give it the old 'wasn't like this in my day.'

but as far as i recall, 9mm pistols weren't punk fashion accessories - the worst you were likely to suffer from the average punk was a drive-by gobbing.

don't recall the great punk wars of the late 70s, either - though the idea of, say, joe strummer driving over to wattie out of the exploited's 'crib' and whacking him is not without its appeal.

the dangerous thing about rap isn't even the morons who make the stuff, it's the morons who listen to it and then act out their little fantasies, shooting people for showing them 'disrespect'.

Been thinking about this, How about, The Dixie cups - The Clappin song . Now is that Rap, If rapping is talking over a beat, then it must be,

I'VE GOT A 40'S BIG BAND TUNE WHERE THE VOCALS SOUND A LOT LIKE RAP!!!

ANYONE CARE TO HEAR THIS??

I'VE GOT A 40'S BIG BAND TUNE WHERE THE VOCALS SOUND A LOT LIKE RAP!!!

ANYONE CARE TO HEAR THIS??

what do you reckon?

Been thinking about this, How about, The Dixie cups - The Clappin song . Now is that Rap, If rapping is talking over a beat, then it must be,

Miff - you're spot on. I've always considered the Clapping Song to be a rap record. Surely Shirley Ellis though?

Edited February 23, 200619 yr by Dayo

No idea myself. First one I can think of being an out and out Rap song is ' White Lines '

and it had a social message Miff."dont do it"not sure if i agreed with it though!

sorry, i have merged the topics in the wrong order

can anyone remember the original title of this thread?

i change it back accordingly

cheers

Shane

ps. gill scott heron was the first to rap on a record if i am right?

The original title of the thread that i put up was " Rap Music & What The Kids Think Of Northern Soul "

hope that helps

Have to say that this a great thread. I am a fan of hip hop but detest rap, the difference in my opion is that hip hip and hip hop culture originated with Dj's finding breaks etc that they could , cut, scratch, juggle, loop & whatever to create a party jam with.

Because of this the records they used were from a wide range of genres not least funk and soul. These Dj's and records are how i and many of my freinds were intruduced to the joys of soul along with many other styles of music i would not normally have been exsposed to.

Rap on the other hand once again in my opinion is all about the rapper, who whilst they may claim to be influenced by artists like the last poets or gil scott heron lyrically are normally socially maladjusted ego manaics who can do nothing other than spread bad vibes and are pretty offensive individuals influenced by nothing than money.

People like puff daddy, etc make my blood boil as they are far removed from what i believe the original culture was all about.

The shift away from Dj's to rappers as the main focus of this culture has, in my opinion had a negitive effect as the emphasise has moved from the music which if you listen to older/old school hip hop was influenced by all manner of great artists from all genres all be it stolen or sampled wholesale in some cases, which i know some people disagree with (and rightly so if no royalities are paid to the original artist) was still great music, which a lot of people of my generation had never heard before and became the catalist for me and others like me searching out the originals and trying to learn more about the music.

Sorry if the above winds any one up but felt i had to say something.

Fragg, If it does Wind anyone up they shouldn't be on the site !! This is what the site is all about, friendly banter & expressing an opinion ( along with all the other fantastic information it provides) So say what you feel !

It was a well put point anyway

Just a qick one any body get the first New Seekers Album for sale? As i ]

Sorry about that I work with some real wankers

Edited February 23, 200619 yr by miff

Sorry about that I work with some real wankers

LOVE IT had me for a minute, i thought what the **** ??

Edited February 23, 200619 yr by B-side-B

Sorry about that I work with some real wankers

pat them on the back miff, that was quality

Miff - you're spot on. I've always considered the Clapping Song to be a rap record. Surely Shirley Ellis though?

The clapping song would be the happy slapping song now

The clapping song would be the happy slapping song now

Surely RAP is spoken words relating to everyday situations over a musical background and as such you can find definitions of RAP music over the decades.

From a northern soul point of view the following could be classed as RAP records, I'm sure there plenty more.

E Roney Jones - R&B Time

Detroit Executives - Cool Off

Fragg, If it does Wind anyone up they shouldn't be on the site !! This is what the site is all about, friendly banter & expressing an opinion ( along with all the other fantastic information it provides) So say what you feel !

It was a well put point anyway

Cheers, I dont generally post so am probably just a bit nervous. Prefer to lurk and learn

Surely RAP is spoken words relating to everyday situations over a musical background and as such you can find definitions of RAP music over the decades.

From a northern soul point of view the following could be classed as RAP records, I'm sure there plenty more.

E Roney Jones - R&B Time

Detroit Executives - Cool Off

Skip Mahoney "Janice" in the middle bit he says "let me get myself together and see if I can rap to this chick"

James Fountain "Seven day lover" - "Well I can rap..my rap is outasite.."

Skip Mahoney "Janice" in the middle bit he says "let me get myself together and see if I can rap to this chick"

James Fountain "Seven day lover" - "Well I can rap..my rap is outasite.."

Prince George "Wrong Crowd " Spings to my mind But thats a song with a Rap in it as opposed to a Rapping song, If you get my drift

what do you reckon?

Ime game. Why not

i agree to an extent jock - there's always a tendency to give it the old 'wasn't like this in my day.'

but as far as i recall, 9mm pistols weren't punk fashion accessories - the worst you were likely to suffer from the average punk was a drive-by gobbing.

don't recall the great punk wars of the late 70s, either - though the idea of, say, joe strummer driving over to wattie out of the exploited's 'crib' and whacking him is not without its appeal.

the dangerous thing about rap isn't even the morons who make the stuff, it's the morons who listen to it and then act out their little fantasies, shooting people for showing them 'disrespect'.

Yeah fair point.

Tangent slightly but was Watty the big guy in exploited? If so he worked in a record shop in Edinburgh for years, I nearly got lynched in there as somebody told me in my young days that you get some decent records in there, walked in day after Clouds allnighter with 40" bags on (only time I wore them, couldn't believe how bad they looked) to find loads of mohicaned gentleman giving me a fixed stare. Try runnning in said bags, not easy!!

Cheers

Jock

Skip Mahoney "Janice" in the middle bit he says "let me get myself together and see if I can rap to this chick"

James Fountain "Seven day lover" - "Well I can rap..my rap is outasite.."

Rap comes from the word rapport; in order to get on well with the ladies i.e. a good rapport, you had to have the gift of the gab and some good chat-up lines unique to the individual, and the better the persons' 'rap' the more succesful in the lurv stakes. As time's gone by this 'rapport' had been extendent to artist : audience, and now anyone and their homies. Some where, I've got a unreleased 60's / ? Motown track and the singer states he can't get started on the track until he gets his rapport sorted!

Edited February 24, 200619 yr by Simon T

what do you reckon?

as i thought!

you guys should open up a little bit to music that borderes to this specific kind of music,i get the feeling that this is a great forum about a wonderfull kind of music but that you are a bit narrowminded about how soul should sound,forgive me the use of that word it could hurt some here on the board please don't think i feel as if you are really narrowminded but you guys should open up a littlebit to other music that allso came from the roots music soul came from.like souljazz now there could be not one note sung but it's still soul i think!

when charly parker recorded his "strings" album he did summertime very soulfull and did not sing one note,when jimmy smith recorded "the cat"he too did not sing one note but it was played soulfull,so thats why i think this music has soul.

i know you would propably say well this is not the place to discuss these other styles but that would be a shame.

allso i feel a bit of fear when a record is recentley recorded,but the date of a song does not mean its not soulfull,it means it sound new it can't sound like a record did in 1967!

and i really don't mean rick astley this is just a voice i loved from when i was a teenager and still love!

its about music from 40's 50's but allso from 2000+

there is soul to be found there,please don't exclude it