Now I know it aint a real lable but as a fledgling late days of the torch they were they to be purchased and I guess most who were around in those days did like wise.

From the early white labels to to the blue and green ones with stars lol , the labels owners knew what we wanted.

Now the rumour is it was Chris Burton and Otis Leavill?? whoever it was they made some tut, one thing Ive never got my head round was when the bootleg label finished.

I was always under the impression no more came out after March 1973..ie 4 weeks after the Torch closed however there are several singles that were booted that later became known EARLY CASINO CLASSICS, eg Frank Beverly and The Velvets, were this ever played at The Torch?

Has anyone got the list????

Edited November 8, 200717 yr by PaulDonnelly

HES WHAT IKNOW ON OOTP.........

Invitations-ski-ing in the snow

mel williams-can it be me

jerry williams-if you ask me

nolan chance-just like the weather

debbie dean-why am I loving you

velvets-I got to find me somebody

voice box-I want it back

ollie jackson-just a little while

human beinz-nobody but me

promatics-sugar pie honey

amazers-without a warning

gloria jones-tainted love

the obsession-music to my heart

joan moody-we must be doing something right

fuzz-Im so glad

soul brothers six-thank you baby

jean carter-like one

ben aiken-satisfied

jackie edwards-feel so bad

brice coefield-aint that right

milton wright-the gallop

detroit land apples-I need help

frankie and the classicals-what shall I do

steinways-my hearts not in it anymore

del caprice-hey little girl

tymes-here she comes

ambers-potion of love

beti webb-I know

the mob-open the door

earl grant-hide nor hair

lord sitar-black is black

rozetta johnson-chained and bound

linda jones-just cant live my life

roy redmond-aint that terrible

kenny bernard-nothing can change this love

orlons-once upon a time

jj barnes-sweet sherry

lou courtney-tryin to find my woman

sharon soul-his love is amazing

markets-stirring up some soul

patti young-head and shoulders

little johnny blair-mommas gone

frank beverley-if thats what you wanted

righteous brothers band-rat race

funky sisters-do it to it

dramatics-inky dinky

rufus lumley-Im standing

bill blacks combo-little queenie

chubby checker-you just dont know

lorraine chandler-I cant hold on

jerry cook-I hurt on the other side

wonderettes-I feel strange

shalimars-stop and take a look at yourself

triumphs-memories

dalton boys-Ive been cheated

now this isnt 100% as its a list from way back so some might not of been pressed on the label.I think pretty much were.

I have about 95% on original labels but cant remember the KENNY BERNARD track mentioned.Appreciate a sound clip if anyone has one.

Apologies if any are wrong.

(PAUL/SEAN......hope this is of some help to you both)

mel

HES WHAT IKNOW ON OOTP.........

Invitations-ski-ing in the snow

mel williams-can it be me

jerry williams-if you ask me

nolan chance-just like the weather

debbie dean-why am I loving you

velvets-I got to find me somebody

voice box-I want it back

ollie jackson-just a little while

human beinz-nobody but me

promatics-sugar pie honey

amazers-without a warning

gloria jones-tainted love

the obsession-music to my heart

joan moody-we must be doing something right

fuzz-Im so glad

soul brothers six-thank you baby

jean carter-like one

ben aiken-satisfied

jackie edwards-feel so bad

brice coefield-aint that right

milton wright-the gallop

detroit land apples-I need help

frankie and the classicals-what shall I do

steinways-my hearts not in it anymore

del caprice-hey little girl

tymes-here she comes

ambers-potion of love

beti webb-I know

the mob-open the door

earl grant-hide nor hair

lord sitar-black is black

rozetta johnson-chained and bound

linda jones-just cant live my life

roy redmond-aint that terrible

kenny bernard-nothing can change this love

orlons-once upon a time

jj barnes-sweet sherry

lou courtney-tryin to find my woman

sharon soul-his love is amazing

markets-stirring up some soul

patti young-head and shoulders

little johnny blair-mommas gone

frank beverley-if thats what you wanted

righteous brothers band-rat race

funky sisters-do it to it

dramatics-inky dinky

rufus lumley-Im standing

bill blacks combo-little queenie

chubby checker-you just dont know

lorraine chandler-I cant hold on

jerry cook-I hurt on the other side

wonderettes-I feel strange

shalimars-stop and take a look at yourself

triumphs-memories

dalton boys-Ive been cheated

now this isnt 100% as its a list from way back so some might not of been pressed on the label.I think pretty much were.

I have about 95% on original labels but cant remember the KENNY BERNARD track mentioned.Appreciate a sound clip if anyone has one.

Apologies if any are wrong.

(PAUL/SEAN......hope this is of some help to you both)

mel

Loads of these didn't come out on OOTP Mel, I'll try and do an edit to your list later

Loads of these didn't come out on OOTP Mel, I'll try and do an edit to your list later

Thanks mate I was a bit dubious regards some

human beinz-nobody but me

promatics-sugar pie honey

amazers-without a warning

gloria jones-tainted love

the obsession-music to my heart

joan moody-we must be doing something right

fuzz-Im so glad

soul brothers six-thank you baby

jackie edwards-feel so bad

brice coefield-aint that right

milton wright-the gallop

detroit land apples-I need help

frankie and the classicals-what shall I do

steinways-my hearts not in it anymore

del caprice-hey little girl

tymes-here she comes

ambers-potion of love

beti webb-I know

the mob-open the door

earl grant-hide nor hair

lord sitar-black is black

linda jones-just cant live my life

roy redmond-aint that terrible

kenny bernard-nothing can change this love

orlons-once upon a time

jj barnes-sweet sherry

lou courtney-tryin to find my woman

OK well just going from memory, I don't think any of the above came out on OOTP though obviously I am probably wrong on a couple. One to add is Tony Clarke - Landslide

Edited November 16, 200717 yr by Pete S

OK well just going from memory, I don't think any of the above came out on OOTP though obviously I am probably wrong on a couple. One to add is Tony Clarke - Landslide

im pretty sure Human Beinz came out on OOTP....

From an advert in Black Music, April 1974:

New imports from...

INVITATIONS

NOLAN CHANCE

MEL WILLIAMS

PATTI YOUNG

JERRY WILLIAMS

OLLIE JACKSON

STEINWAYS

BEN AIKEN

FRANKIE & THE CLASSICALS

VEL VETS

ROZETTA JOHNSON

SHARON SOUL

So I was wrong about Frankie & Classicals. Don't ever remember seeing the Steinways.

im pretty sure Human Beinz came out on OOTP....

Sorry, but, (again from memory) I don't think it did.

It was booted on Jeff King's Soul Sounds label though.

Thanks for the list, so far, Mel & Pete.

I do need a comprehensive list if anyone has one.

Always had copies of the old Chris Burton ISC lists, from the early 70's, but some of those listed never actually appeared on OOTP. Need to know exactly what was pressed... and if you have any (of my missing numbers) for sale.

Many thanks

Sean

My mistake, just got home and you are right, sorry, will check before I post next time

Sorry, but, (again from memory) I don't think it did.

It was booted on Jeff King's Soul Sounds label though.

Thanks for the list, so far, Mel & Pete.

I do need a comprehensive list if anyone has one.

Always had copies of the old Chris Burton ISC lists, from the early 70's, but some of those listed never actually appeared on OOTP. Need to know exactly what was pressed... and if you have any (of my missing numbers) for sale.

Many thanks

Sean

My mistake, just got home and you are right, sorry, will check before I post next time

Iz no problem. An easy faux pas.

Crikey, if I checked every time I posted, I'd spend half my time checking.

You're right to just get involved and discuss.

Welcome and Enjoy!

Sean

OK well just going from memory, I don't think any of the above came out on OOTP though obviously I am probably wrong on a couple. One to add is Tony Clarke - Landslide

im with you pete on the ones listed a lot of the ones listed were booted on look alike labels or put out on legal reissues i think?

My mistake, just got home and you are right, sorry, will check before I post next time

Iz no problem. An easy faux pas.

Crikey, if I checked every time I posted, I'd spend half my time checking.

You're right to just get involved and discuss.

Welcome and Enjoy!

Sean

Yes Mate, Wellcome aboard this Soul Source thread, and hopefully many others.

Sharing knowledge is what It's all about, In many cases we are all still trying to piece things together.

As is the case with the OOTP Label. We're all finding things out many years later through discussion.

As Sean quite rightly says

"You're right to just get involved and discuss."

"Welcome and Enjoy!"

Spot on.

Edited November 16, 200717 yr by 45cellar

Have we mentioned Sounds Orchestral - Ain't That Peculiar yet? I think I have a copy up in the cupboard of doom and it's on the greeny coloured version of the label.

Was there ever really any kind of demand for that tune? And is it the only OOTP track booted from an LP? Don't think it was a single was it?

Blimey - three questions!

Godz

In Select-a-disc's defense, I don't think they ever pressed records but they did get supplies by people who did, and of course instigated the reissuing of in-demand RCA's, Okeh's etc by the parent companies.

Out Of The Past was for the want of a better phase, blatant bootlegging.. which I don't think Select-a-disc ever did.

Only by a technicality John. Selectadisc and our French Moroccan friend were in business for years. He pressed 'em in the U.S. and Selectadisc distributed 'em in the UK exclusively I seem to remember. You're quite right though - it wasn't as blatant as the O.O.T.P. stuff which I hated because even the labels were uninspiring.....

Ian D

Have we mentioned Sounds Orchestral - Ain't That Peculiar yet? I think I have a copy up in the cupboard of doom and it's on the greeny coloured version of the label.

Was there ever really any kind of demand for that tune? And is it the only OOTP track booted from an LP? Don't think it was a single was it?

Blimey - three questions!

Godz

A ridiculous bootleg. No there was no demand at the time to my recollection and I think it was the only album track on OOTP.

Might be an idea for another thread though: "Ridiculous Bootlegs For Which There Was Never A Demand"

For instance, Lou Courtney "Me And You Doing The Boogaloo" which was a Selectadisc boot. I never understood why this was bootlegged........

Ian D

just out of interest did the ootp copys of debbie dean and the dalton boys have the rarer b-sides,stay my love and take my hand???

Hi ALL

I THOUGHT I WOULD OPEN THIS UP AGAIN? THIS IS OOTP No1 WHAT ARE THE MISSING 3 BEFORE OOTP 5 ??

ALSO THE OFF GREEN COLOUR ON THE TARPON LABEL IS THE FIRST ISSUE AS IT IS THE SAME AS THE DEMO DAVE KIL

Edited May 9, 200916 yr by dthedrug

Hi ALL

I THOUGHT I WOULD OPEN THIS UP AGAIN? THIS IS OOTP No1 WHAT ARE THE MISSING 3 BEFORE OOTP 5 ??

ALSO THE OFF GREEN COLOUR ON THE TARPON LABEL IS THE FIRST ISSUE AS IT IS THE SAME AS THE DEMO DAVE KIL

Full listing in Manships UK Guide. Will try and find time to type up

jon

Full listing in Manships UK Guide. Will try and find time to type up

jon

CHEERS FOR THAT, IN THE BOOK I HAVE OF HIS RARE UK SINGLES HIS LIST STARTS AT OOTP 5, CLEARLY THIS IS NUMBER 1, EVERYONE OVER THE YEARS I HAVE HAD IT WERE NOT AWARE OF THIS ONES EXISTANCE? HOWEVER ITS THE SAME LABEL AS CARL DOUGLAS ALSO IT SHOULD BE PIONTED OUT THAT THE SHOOTONG STAR LABEL NUMBERS ARE IN FACT :-ISC 1 A & THE WHITE LABLE ARE OOTP -37 IN THE CASE OF THE KELLY BROTHERS-LOVE TIME, AS SUCH THEY ARE DIFFERANT IN 2 WAYS / OR 4WAYS IF YOU COUNT THE COLOR CHANGES ON THE INTERNATIONAL SOUL CLUB RELEASES, FOR EXAMPLE I HAVE BEN AIKEN ON BLUE & A DARK GREEN ONE, I FOR ONE WHO BOGHT THESE RECORDS AS THEY COME OUT WOULD LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE LISTING, AS IT WAS THESE RECORDS THAT WERE IN MY COLLECTION IN THE EARLY DAYS AND I LOOK BACK ON THE WITH GREAT FONDNESS DAVE KIL

just out of interest did the ootp copys of debbie dean and the dalton boys have the rarer b-sides,stay my love and take my hand???

Debbie Dean is same both sides I think.