HI ALL

Came across a bit of info regarding this mighty fine choon.

Can anyone confirm if this info is anywhere near correct please:-

" Only 1,000 copies were pressed.

Additionally, because most of them were printed with the labels reversed, over

700 copies were simply thrown away! The pressing plant never redid the run, so

there are now less than 300 copies available in the world today"

Also if this is anwhere near true ,how valuable is this record now ???

info was supplied by someone who owns a copy

appreciated &thanx to anyone who can help

Nev

Info is aboot right

BUT BEWARE

IT HAS BEEN BOOTED LATELY

I THINK Chris Anderton can confirm seeing a box of boots in the USA last year

but kept away. I heard from another source the seller wanted $200 a piece as they

looked almost identical to the real ones and would be/could sold as such to the unsuspecting punter.

I know Mannie also is aware of the bootleg copies.

Price for Originals??

Id say £600+ paid this for mine 5 years ago

One of my faves play it out when ever I can.

Just dont see it that often

hope this helps

gasher

Edited January 6, 200817 yr by the gasher

YEP IT HAS BEEN BOOTED AND I WOULD AGREE BOUT 600 FOR THE REAL DEAL,GREAT TUNE INDEED!

BAZ A

Info is aboot right

BUT BEWARE

IT HAS BEEN BOOTED LATELY

I THINK Chris Anderton can confirm seeing a box of boots in the USA last year

but kept away. I heard from another source the seller wanted $200 a piece as they

looked almost identical to the real ones and would be/could sold as such to the unsuspecting punter.

I know Mannie also is aware of the bootleg copies.

Price for Originals??

Id say £600+ paid this for mine 5 years ago

One of my faves play it out when ever I can.

Just dont see it that often

hope this helps

gasher

Thanx Gasher&Baz

What about reverse label copies ,are there any about , or are they all right way round??

nev

think i got about 600 for mine last year

shep

think i got about 600 for mine last year

shep

But were the labels same as or reverse??

by the way im gonna pop to rafa tonight ,nowt else doin

might i seeya

Thanx Gasher&Baz

What about reverse label copies ,are there any about , or are they all right way round??

nev

Labels are reversed on my copy (and I've had it since 1995).

Brian

Edited January 5, 200817 yr by Brian Ellis

Info is aboot right

BUT BEWARE

IT HAS BEEN BOOTED LATELY

I THINK Chris Anderton can confirm seeing a box of boots in the USA last year

but kept away. I heard from another source the seller wanted $200 a piece as they

looked almost identical to the real ones and would be/could sold as such to the unsuspecting punter.

I know Mannie also is aware of the bootleg copies.

Price for Originals??

Id say £600+ paid this for mine 5 years ago

One of my faves play it out when ever I can.

Just dont see it that often

hope this helps

HELLO AGAIN LORD GASHER OF ABERDEEEEEEEN,

HOPE YOUR KEEPING WELL WELL MY FRIEND ?

WELL,THIS IS VERY BAD NEWS. I MUST SAY I THOUGHT IT WAS SURPRISING WHEN A"FEW" COPIES SEEMED TO BE TURNING UP LAST YEAR BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS NEWS IT WOULD SEEM FISHY TO SAY THE LEAST.

I RECKON ANYONE BUYING THIS TITLE [iN, SAY THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF],HAS EVERY REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS OF BOOTLEG TRICKERY.

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE ON THE BOOTS OR HAVE ANY INFO.......?

PHOTO`S WOULD BE GOOD.

LUCKILY,I`VE HAD MINE SINCE THE MID 80`S,SO I GUESS MINES OKAY BUT I HAVE EVERY SYMPATHY FOR ANYONE DUPED LIKE THIS..........

ALSO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHO IS PASSING THESE OFF AS THE PROPER THING WOULDNT IT............?

ANYONE HELP ?

BEST, IVOR

gasher

But were the labels same as or reverse??

by the way im gonna pop to rafa tonight ,nowt else doin

might i seeya

yes i think the labels were reversed

wont be at the rafa tonight though

My labels are correct but I have seen a couple of back to fronters.

stay away to be safe .......unless your 110% sure.

gasher

Are these the same Ad-Libs with Hugh Harris of New York In The and Johnny My Boy vocals.

So how do you tell originals and boots apart?

Labels are reversed on my copy (and I've had it since 1995).

Brian

Brian,

Soul Sam is visting me on Thursday, could you possibly give him your revrse label copy of "Fortune Teller" for me to compare with the copy I have in stock which came from an "associate" of the owner.. uuuum

Then I can throw some light on this suspect "repro".

John

Brian,

Soul Sam is visting me on Thursday, could you possibly give him your revrse label copy of "Fortune Teller" for me to compare with the copy I have in stock which came from an "associate" of the owner.. uuuum

Then I can throw some light on this suspect "repro".

John

excellent idea John

awaiting result,hopefully conclusion ,with bated breath

Nev

Are these the same Ad-Libs with Hugh Harris of New York In The and Johnny My Boy vocals.

yes I would say, they were abouut for years after the 60's albeit with various changes to the line up. Fortune Teller written by John Taylor who shares credit on Boy From New York City, Think Of Me, Johnny My Boy and others.

Edited January 6, 200817 yr by chalky

Brian,

Soul Sam is visting me on Thursday, could you possibly give him your revrse label copy of "Fortune Teller" for me to compare with the copy I have in stock which came from an "associate" of the owner.. uuuum

Then I can throw some light on this suspect "repro".

John

I'll get it to Sam today so he can bring it for you.

Brian

PS - Hope you don't tell me that mine's a boot!

Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago

Non reversed labels or labels correct

which ever way you prefer.

so you can check it against yours..

lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck.

regards gasher

Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago

Non reversed labels or labels correct

which ever way you prefer.

so you can check it against yours..

lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck.

regards gasher

WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE

2 o'clock reads TR in a circle then PA-5-82

4 o'clock reads....PRI 253-A

Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago

Non reversed labels or labels correct

which ever way you prefer.

so you can check it against yours..

lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck.

regards gasher

WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE

2 o'clock reads TR in a circle then PA-5-82

4 o'clock reads....PRI 253-A

Hi Gasher

Just checked mine - is exactly the same as you describe above, although with my label dead centre the matrix markings are at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock respectively (position of labels are random relative to the matrix markings I think).

Can you confirm that your label is moulded into the vinyl at the run out?

Brian

Yes it is Brian.

Hi Gasher

Just checked mine - is exactly the same as you describe above, although with my label dead centre the matrix markings are at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock respectively (position of labels are random relative to the matrix markings I think).

Can you confirm that your label is moulded into the vinyl at the run out?

Brian

There are originals of this with labels reversed cos I have one!

Hope this helps

Steve

Here is my legit (as far as Im aware copy) came from USA 5+ years ago

Non reversed labels or labels correct

which ever way you prefer.

so you can check it against yours..

lookin for my magnifier to clarify run out details.as Im blind as feck.

regards gasher

WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE

2 o'clock reads TR in a circle then PA-5-82

4 o'clock reads....PRI 253-A

Richie,

"WITH LABEL STRAIGHT DEAD CENTRE"

you can't do it like that, as labels go on at all angles, depends on how they were load in the machine. and how they were packed to begin with..

always hold one matrix @ 6 o'clock then you get a "true" reading from that starting point.

John

Edited January 10, 200817 yr by john manship

There are originals of this with labels reversed cos I have one!

My one was also label-reversed. It came directly from their manager on release in search of a UK release via a record label I used to work for many moons ago. Still have the business card that was stapled to the sleeve somewhere...had a picture of an alsatian dog on it as I recall.

Just to clarify my position on this....

I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market.

I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies.

Cheers, Chris.

Just to clarify my position on this....

I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market.

I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies.

Cheers, Chris.

I would be surprised about boots also. Who in the US would bootleg it and if they did, wouldn't they have started appearing? who presses a run of records just to sit in them and try to pawn them off onto british people when they come into town? Doesn't seem very profitable. Also, it would be a strange choice of a record to bootleg

Edited January 10, 200817 yr by boba

Just to clarify my position on this....

I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market.

I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies.

Cheers, Chris.

Glad you cleared that one up mate!

I heard that 3 or 4 copies turned up from a band member?

Must give it a spin on Saturday at the Three Greyhounds methinks!

Cheers

Steve

i had chance to look at steve plumbs, ad libs at joes bar and the label title was done using a crayon

Just to clarify my position on this....

I never said i saw a box of boots in the US. What i said was that i heard some copies of the record had turned up in the US. As it is, since i posted that message i have never actually seen a massive influx of copies coming onto the market.

I didn`t say anything about bootleg copies.

Cheers, Chris.

Chris,

I heard that too..which made me wonder and suspicious (I am by nature).

The copy i got from the source causing concern, was made from exactly the same masterplate as the reversed label copies also the labels are from the same printing plate, also.

BUT the blue label is a slightly diff. shade, that could be due to light exposure or possibly and i do say possibly they re-pressed them.

If they did or have they used all the original plates, and printing block for the labels, in other words you can't tell the difference and the guy insists it is/they are originals.

Only the label colour and maybe texture of the label could be questioned... that may be down to the ageing process, i know i look a little different than i did in 1981.

rest assured they are not bootlegs or counterfeits.

John