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It's a tricky one that Pete. I agree that a higher bid coming after the close of the auction should be rejected. However, having two or more people bidding against each other in real time is how most auctions happen around the world. The bidders fight it out until one person wins. Happens in Christie's auctions, your local antiques auction house etc. There are two different models here I guess - 1) the highest bid at close wins and 2) they fight it our until there's a winner. The auctions I am wary of is when you don't know how many people you are bidding against or what they actually bid, and that do not obviously have bidding by set increments but are done on trust. With a close time on an auction like that you could go in with your best bid which is unknowingly £200 over the last person, win it, but have to pay £200 more that you needed to compared to if it was an open bidding set up or a clear bid increment set up. Cheers Richard

Apart from in post #22 above I wouldn't mind seeing a good debate about the other 'big' auctions - but nobody seems to bother to comment much on those (although I did see something recently about PB's auction - but it's rare to see anything). The key thing that John's auctions have compared to the others is a high level of transparency. I think I'm correct in saying that John's is the only one of the big auctions when you can easily see all of the necessary information including how many people have bid, what their bids were and what the finishing price was - plus it uses proxy bidding as standard so you only pay an increment above the last highest bid rather than what your potential maximum bid would have been. Some of the other auctions seem to be based on blind bidding Anyway, one thing we would probably all agree on is that threads like this are probably a great advert for Mr Manship's auctions. Cheers Richard

Me too Pete - I wonder if John's spotted that potential "gap in the market" yet Cheers Richard

I don't see what the issue is here Phil to be honest and I agree with Chalky. Why is this "laughable" anyway?. You can't seriously be suggesting that John Manship has only just discovered this side. I actually think it's a very good pitch for the record given that "Love That Never Grows Old" has, in my view, rather lived in the shadow of "I Need My Baby" (and maybe Steve Mancha's "Friday Night" too). I played "Love That Never Grows Old" out at a big event with a predominantly oldies crowd last year and it more or less cleared the dancefloor floor! Seeing as John auctioned a copy of this just a few months ago I reckon it's a good angle to refresh the sales patter and lead with the other side. Makes prefect sense - but then it is my favourite side John's audience for his auctions must run into the tens of thousands I guess, and is an international audience cutting across many collecting types/scenes. The item descriptions aren't all aimed at the traditional Northern soul crowd who "know everything" about every record ever released that fits into the "Northern Soul" genre. Cheers Richard

TATE - LOVE SHOP (CLOVERSTREET 102) Beautiful copy of this superb Los Angeles Northern Soul gem. Price is £200 please. Record in superb M- condition. Clean labels both sides. Label scan and soundfile attached taken from the actual record for sale. Payment by PayPal as gift (family & friends), cheque or cash please. Postage is £2.50 UK Recorded Delivery or £7.00 UK Special Delivery. Overseas at cost. No quibble money back guarantee if not happy. Please just PM me if interested Cheers Richard Click on picture to see larger image

Thanks very much for those details - very helpful Any chance of a label scan please? Cheers Richard

Plus also done by Dynamics on Cotillion and YouTube-ing shows Dusty Springfield, Undisputed Truth, Supremes, Jaggerz also ...

It wasn't your post that I was picking up specifically on mate, but on the point in Ricky's post #7 which states "ORIGINAL COPY not the Soul Fire reissue. Killer raw funk by Rhon Silver AKA The Soul President. Hear it on an MP3 taken from the actual copy" Cheers Richard

Here it is

Think your "sticker mark" def is missing something Mick Richard

In my book there are two main types of warping of a record: 1) Dishing - this is where the record is warped in a concave manner right around the surface so it will not sit flat on the turntable. This creates a 'dish' or 'bowl' shape. The needle usually does not move up and down when being played. Slight dishing is often not even mentioned by people when selling. 2) Edge warp - where part of the disc is warped and so part of the record does not sit flat when on a turntable. This creates a wave (up and down movement) when the record is playing when the needle goes up and down. The main issue is whether people declare warps, and if they do whether they are genuinely slight and do not affect play as is usually claimed. I would have thought that playing a disc over and over that has an edge warp would eventually lead to uneven wear on a record. Cheers Richard

To be honest I don't really think £350 is such a bad price for a Betty Lloyd in top nick. If I was selling one it wouldn't go for less than £300 and would prefer £350. Richard

The answer for me would be in this order ... US, or rarest format, or both :-)

How much for a real one these days then? Cheers Richard

Hi John Yes, agree with Mal - pic would be nice please So it's the acetate of the bootleg that subsequently surfaced - right? Cheers Richard

I think it's a very nice record. One I remember from a particular time and place as a youth which makes it better. Incidentally, just checked Manship's Guide and that rates this record at £150. Cheers Richard

The record sold for GBP £150 - not dollars as stated above. Richard

I remember it first from Dave Evison playing it when I was a lad. John Manship auctioned one a few months ago. Cheers Richard

ON NOW - TNT show 2 - Thursday. 7-9PM. Radio Newark. https://www.radionewark.co.uk Cheers Richard

Phil is that you or John Manship saying that? It's not clear

BILEO - YOU CAN WIN (M.T.U./WATTS CITY) ORANGE FIRST ISSUE For sale, a lovely copy of this modern soul anthem in its rarest format. Price is £250 please. Record in M- condition. Label scan and soundfile from actual record below. Payment by PayPal as gift (family & friends), cheque or cash please. Postage is £2.50 UK Recorded Delivery or £7.00 UK Special Delivery. Overseas at cost. No quibble money back guarantee if not happy. Please just PM me if interested. Cheers Richard Click on picture to see larger image

From Plymouth UK Do we know them? Richard

Thanks folks I have been very reliably advised that all Big Mack copies are boots. Does not make sense regarding the claim in a post above about an original and not being a Soul Fire original??? Mine is Soul Fire for sure - due to dead wax - obvious later looking label etc. Does anyone have any definitive anorak info on a Big Mack original please? I'm guessing the answer is "no" but I'm open to new info Cheers Richard

The flip of J.J. Barnes is an instrumental version of the Parliaments. https://youtu.be/0TuC5MaRjqk Cheers Richard

Have you got one ending 666 please - that would be even easier to remember Cheers Richard