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HI ALL This may sound stupid! it may well be now, but at the time I did not no the what was the real 1st issue from the 2nd issue, here is my mistake, and it makes me cringe as I wrote this, but to make my point simple, it may help others, now and in the future? My Example is:- my first copy of Bobbi Lynn earthquake UK Stateside issue, Which I got along with a few Tamla Motown 500 series from the CO-OP in Letchworth Hearts, all the singles were in a revolving rack I sorted out the ones I wanted and took a quick exit, as you do, (if you were a bad lad like me) this would be about March 71, In late 72 I had a decent collection of SOUL and had been reading BLUES & SOUL Mag for 2 years, to me it was a must read magazine which I read from cover to cover, especially learning about rare soul through Dave Godin and the comments in pen to paper, also the new releases, I cant remember the actual date now when the Bobbi Lynn was reissued on Bell, but I remember someone had a copy of it, trying to be clever, my copy on Stateside said Bell Recording on it (here's the Cringe) I did a straight swap for it, thinking it was the original, Today that sort of mistake would never happen (I HOPE) for a UK released record, but I am still not sure with some US records, my second example will show my point, as which of the 2 copies was the original? any tips on basic ways to tell if it's origanal 1st issue, would be good news, the one with silver writeing is the one that is in my collection the other one was out of one of my boxes DAVE

Hi All I think it.s time for me to start putting a few forgotten oldies and obscure B sides that I have enjoyed for the past 35 years but maybe unknown to some of you, and I think they deserve a play, now and again, Years ago, when it was common to describe our music in the terms of SOUL.MOTOWN RARE SOUL, R&B. and also as STAX, ATLANTIC ^ CHESS It is the latter label that my record from my box, comes from. Chess records are still loved today as much as they were loved by the forefathers of the soul scene the MODS, many of the really rare stuff from the USA CHESS GROUP of LABELS never got a UK release, but some fine records did come out on PYE INTERNATIONAL & the UK CHESS LABEL, The record I have picked today, is a B side inst, by one of black African American musicians, a man whose talent plating the 88's is known world wide, but for the majority of the UK soul lovers, I think they would struggle to name 5 of his records? and I have picked a B side for you? The artists name is Ramsey Lewis, my pick is one of his best, Title:- CHINA GATE Label UK CHESS CRS8040 B, RELEASED IN 1967 Value£20 I HOPE YOU ENJOY IT AS MUCH AS I DO, DAVE https://youtu.be/leGc-d0jGR0

HI I don't disagree with that at all, wasn't the great Les Paul who made an art in multi tracking his guitar, in fact what he put together for his guitar was copied by many studios, it was not until the SMALL FACES got to work on cross fazing and HENDRIX WIRH FEEDBACK come along LES PAUL was the man, and another thing to consider is all records of the 40s 50s & early 60s were of a much higher quality than the machine used to play them on, still at the end of the day it i still a mystery, DAVE

HI ALL WJ IS A GREAT SINGER, If you listen to thes very differant songs, but uniquely WJ LISTEN TO THE B SIDE OF "It's a uphill climb to the bottom! DAVE

HI PETE To be Honest with everybody, I have a passion for collecting all the early Bootlegs and have all the releases from SOUL SOUNDS 7 the others from that time, the same is true for Christ's Burton ISC labels Out Of The Past & OOTP (white). at that time 69 to 74 by buying them in the main allowed my love for the northern soul sound develop, I often quote about the early days of the scene and how I gained a lot of knowledge from Mick Smith, but that's only part of the story. Back in those early days the number of people who come from Letchworth into rare soul was 2, 3 if we include Mick and I was last as both Mick & Chris Gallard had been there from the start, This bootleg means absolutely F all to myself, it's not in the same mould as Sharron Soul Ben Aiken Debbie Dean Invitations Jerry Williams and all the rest, along with all the other muck the seller has got with his feedback of 19 if I was aware who he was I would report him. he ain't got nothing to do with our music and he ain't a Jeff King Simon S or Chris B, who lets not forget owned the TORCH, this release is a wast of plastic and like all the other bootlegs should be not allowed in any event, as that makes the promoter just as guilty, However I bet people on this site still by this s**t! LETS KEEP THE SOUL SCENE REAL, AND BUY THE PROPER STUFF DAVE

HI That a interesting point of view and quite plausible, However I would say you were 100% right but for one thing, the studio recording set up, It was not until October 1966 that the worlds #1 group got to record on 4 track tape. the recordings they made at Abby Road was amazing skill, from the engineers at the time. Queen recorded Bohemian Rhapsody on 16 track Rose Morris, I worked with the roadie who did the sound for the group family there singer Roger Chapman with him made the 1st on stage fold-back set up (a separate PA for the band to here what they were playing) as such I have a good knowledge about studio recording, and I am sure it is like I say, You may be right though, it is important to remember that the backing track in good studios is just that a track that has been laid down, most vocals were dubbed over the backing from another track, if they used a 3 track machine backing singers and extra BASS would be dubbed on, so my guess it's still a clip mark made 1 rev before giving that amazing sound, but again you have a good point, DAVE

Hi All if you list at 1.35 on at 1.39 there is a studio splice in tape, if you can imagine the tape mowing on 1 rev, as the tape goes over the splice it gives the effect of what you here at 1.45, , so by fixing whatever the problem was at 1.39 with a splice, and the engineer had aleady marked the tape as the problem, why would he bother checking what was already checked, in the 70s when I did a bit of work in the music trade, many of the old AMPEX 2 & 3 TRACK RECORDERS were being phased out, and that sort of machine would have been top of the range in most top recording studios, as such the tape had many cuts and edits in them, and the sound man would put a slip of paper to mark the cut, again this could of been left on the tape in the same way, the next operation was to cut the metal demo and master stamper, :g:listen to LARY WILLIAMS & JOHNNY WATSON "TO LATE" Okeh Why the quality control did not pick the mistake up is anybodys guess? but I am sure that this is the explanation that you seek DAVE

HI ALL This is the sort of record that I remember finding in junk shops, and trying to impres Mick Smith at my discovery way back in the early 70s i remember it got the thumbs down then, mind you did it fit in with the Fuller Bros or the Carstairs? the pictured record is of the UK Bell record, what next Madi Gra "To busy thinking" or the B side of the Fantastics Classic "Something old Something new", I do not jest it's a good tune? so all you car booters out there tucked away on the UK Bell label inbetween the Gary Glitter & Bay City Rollers, there are some really non expensive soul recoards along with re issues Like Bobbi Lynn Earthquake, which is a cheap way of getting the underplayed B side. Dave

HI ALL This is a lot rarer than the Paula and I still have my copy from a batch I got very cheap in the 80s and like most of the records i sold in the VIC (Wolves) they escalated up in price £5 back then, I suppose for such a good record it must be £60+ to-day if you can find one? NICE RECORD, THAT BELONGS IN EVERY SOUL BOX. DAVE

Hi All to be honest if you did not go to the Highland Room it would change how he is as a DJ, We all are aware Ian has no people skills, but he was far more qualified than you give the man credit for, I bet he don't turn up! as I have never been asked to DJ it means at the moment Ian is more popular than me GGGGRRRR! Give the Man A Bone DAVE

Hi All to be honest if you did not go to the Highland Room it would change how he is as a DJ, We all are aware Ian has no people skills, but he was far more qualified than you give the man credit for, I bet he don't turn up! as I have never been asked to DJ it means at the moment Ian is more popular than me GGGGRRRR! Give the Man A Bone DAVE

Hi All Pete when I saw this thread, my hart went into my mouth, I thought that you were talking about me!!!!! DAVE

Hi All I am aware that you all no it and maybe grown to hate, but my copy is special, as aparently it does not exist so I read the other day, the record as a DEMO is very hard to find, my copy is just that but rarer much much more rarer, yet i bet someone say's the DEMO looks better, and I say don't be a FOOL! Oh! yer DAVE MY ISSUE PS DEMO COPY FOR SALE.

HI ALL I can remember when GOD's DOG was a Pup, and collectors would talk about soul, especially Rare Soul with an emphasis on their specialist area of their collection, for example I often describe my collection as British, and then I will say however I have about 1000 original US soul original from the TORCH WIGAN Period, However like most of us when I discovered the scene I was happy with any thing to form a basis of a collection, at that time if you lived in the london area, and walked into a pub with a record box and a black driving glove on greeting people by shaking there hand, trust me how can I put it, "You were asking for a KICKing" for sure, however along with that, being on the scene meant dancing and talking rare records, all night long, so a collection could have anything in at the start In 1974 I went to the ISC LEEDS Festival, still voted as the best 1 off ALL-NIGHTERS, (That when I found the UK copy of Rocky Roberts) I can clearly remember which is a miracle in it's self, the back wall, whee the ISC had a stall selling all there records,there on the wall was all the white OOTP RECORDS FUNKY SISTERS RIGHTIOS BROS, INKY DINKY DINKY WANJ DANG DO BY THE END OF THE NIGHT THEY HAD SOLD OUT(pun intended) so it shows that for many many young people a record with there favorite track on it was great to own and play to your mates and impress them enough to think you were the Dogs, In recent years well since 1983 when it seems some small record companies that started in the late 70s had the means and the equipment to release CD's and found out that if you got the rights of a American label the big movers & shakers did not seem to be worried what you took from the vaults of a run down record label as such some of the UK top collectors had many of there rare finds booted? At that time I had started to collect again in a big way, but by 88/9 my appetite for chemicals and living in THATCHERS world with my mortgage at 17.5% I had no choice but sell of most of my collection (when I think back at the records I had then on US labels, and what they are now worth?) However I did sell them most of them to Mick Smith who has the knack of knowing that he will have the 1st look in, he gave me much more than I thought I would get and did not take the UK stuff as I suppose this was at a time when the words like MINT or EX+ started to be quoted and RECORD COLLECTOR MAG started to become a regular buy with the record sales lists at the back, My question that I want to know is about the modern REPRO scene that we see on eBay, as in the past apart from Hendrix Beatles Dylan & Northern Soul. I use to say about Bootlegs At least they don't do British, well not many, but in the last 5 years there has been a change as many rare UK Psyche & Mod R&B records have come out, but under the Banner of 1st edition REPRO, I myself have at least 40 of these that I paid £2.50 each for as would I leave them at that price, I think the Mark Lloyd is probably the best known on the soul scene, recently I come across a polydor record by Waygood Ellis I had to take a good look at it as it was a record that had little following out of our scene, and even within the current soul scene apart from half a dozen collectors know one had it or had heard it as far as I was concern, but here it was and apparently has become popular, now this is the 1st time I have become am I for or against records like this being put out, as I have not got a clue what a proper copy is valued at today as my copy was given to me 25 years ago, any way there are several discussion points here, I must state I am against bootlegs, but the ReTRO stuff has allowed me to play records that I would not of got and they are some really nice records in whats come out many more expensive than the rare soul. anyway here's my copy out of my collection and the REPRO All I can conclude is to listen to MARVIN & TAMMI classic "there's nothing like the real thing" DAVE

HI ALL I Was going to explain everything to you ! but the lads have said it all with added extras, this records beat and tempo back in 73 had the dancers going faster than whirling derby shire? or 100 mph if you were block on caps????DAVE K

uhttps://youtu.be/LktiQtBy HI ALL Just going throIgh a box of oldies, and statred to play 3 Great Phily sounds both sides are excellant a have plenty of Soul Just take a list? I hope this works should be bunny siglarDAVE

Hi I can see why you asked the question, as they all look right, however I don't think the add helps at all, and the info that I would add is whats written in the dead wax, i thinks all have been booted, the hard one is Th James Bounty which is on a thread on soulsoure and I believe covers every thing you need to no, I bet it.s a boot, And I bet this has all been said, as I jumped strait to answer, "give a man a bone" Dave

HI AL,,, This is or could be the start of a thread that answers the age old question about why don't they dance to the classic I am playing, For my point of view there are some rules that apply to the subject , And readers please don't upset yourself at my points as they are just that my personal views over 35 years as collector and ex DJ, The Rare Soul Scene has always been a ad-hoc scene, when it comes down to Professional standards, Most top spinners who have survived are in fact a click of record dealers, who hasn't set foot on a dance floor in years, and if they do it is clear they are P***ed up! and can't dance, This is important as if you can't get into the dance groove! the dancers can't get into your groove? can you dig? 99.5% of the DJs have had no professional training and take little interest in the equipment they use, in one way this basic approach of the likable anorak playing very rare records is good, but take off the rose tinted glasses and say what you see, an old man playing his records? What records clear the dance floor? years ago it was once a record was available for £1 from Selectadisc and it's many out lets (many DJ dealers come to mind), also for some strange but odd logic it's they aren't use to your play list, (get into the groove thang) or the promoter has got you as a warm up man, Stop playing the same records that other DJs play as their play list, we all no where that can go. Stop playing the records that you play to yourself at home! remember the punters want a good night, see make sure you give them it! Stop playing to many records that are obscure to most all in one night, this is a common mistake by collectors when they are asked to do a spot, as the record at the start of this thread, is a classic case as it is a good record, and should get played, obscure records no matter what they are, like every thing needs to become familiar, that's why the younger DJs play a 30 minute loop and mix in records, the trick is to do the same in the way your records are selected, so over a 30 minute period you have kept a rhythm flow by not jumping the beat?/ And finally a few weeks ago I went to GOODYEARS CLUB and people were dancing to Toots and the Maytals, nothing wrong with that if you are at a wedding? but what a £1 reggae record is doing being played at a rare soul night? and more to the point the dancers were dancing? can anybody explain how and why this record was played in the first place?? now that only a start, a big question, my #7 is the one for me, would I travel 100 miles to here that? no! would you, apparently you would!! AS ALWAYS "GIVE A DOG A BONE IN 2012" DAVE X

HI ALL Here's one of my all time faves.. that's Northern SOUL talk, for the majority of records in our collections, or say they say, However LEE DAVID is just that, a true Norther Soul Classic in every which way you look at it, This GEM of a record was discovered by BIG Clive Everett (gertcha cow sun) & Mick Smith in 72 on one of there US Tripp's, and then taken to the TORCH for it's 1st play* and then it went to the Blackpool MECCA, Tony Jebb played it & Ian (me me) Levine purchased it for £xx, *And the rest is history, all though for most people the TORCH would be the 1st play, but like so many of Clive & Mick's finds, they were all 1st spun at the DIVE Bar in Hitchin, & taken for approval to the Birds Nest in West Hampstead, one day I will try and get round to complying a list of records that not only Clive & Mick discovered (yet some DJs still try to make out it was their find? NAME & SHAME!) But the records that were first played from Notts to London and before the Wheel claimed them as theirs? Finally the DEMOS are worth double of the stock, which is now £100+ easy. my 1st copy was from the original find from Mick now long gone, the copy in my collection I got from Kieth Minshal £40. DAVE (I should write a book) KILWORTH

HI ALL This is one of my favourate sounds of the post WIGAN plays! it's from 1964, and a very good example of the new soul sound that would be so dominant in the following few years, Again I tried to put a sound clip on for you, but my short term memory loss (to many chemicals) means sorry, my resalution this year is to achieve this goal! however don't bank on it, as I keep forgeting passwords??? anyway it;s on you tube! If anyone has a copy to trade please let me no? as this is my copy, OOOPS!! DONALD JENKINS - "SOMEBODY HELP ME" - CORTLAND 112 HAPPY NEW YEAR

Hi it's the RARE Vocal Version, with the voices Dubbed off? would I tell a PORKY PIE DAVE

Hi All you should find the .https://indangerousrhythm.blogspot.com/2006...h-dime-new.html You should find it here? with kuck.LANNIE HILL "Ain't I worth a DIME" here! cheers DAVE

great tune TED.***** Have you got the LANNIE HILL track, and are you going to the STATION HOTEL TO-NIGHT? DAVE

HI ALL & HAPPY NEW YEAR, WITH THE SUCCES OF THE PREVIOUS THREAD, SOULSOURCE HAS REQUESTED WE START AGAIN! I would like to thank all those who like me, love to guide Bros & Sisters towards sounds they may not no!, be it Rare or just tucked away on the B sife, of an old stomper, THANKS, To start this of I am still playing the B side to Lannie Hills (Wigan) CLASSIC "Time marches on" a great mid tempo sound,"ain't I worth a DIME" If someone could put a sound file on for me, and you will soon discover it's time to get a spin or two.https://indangerousrhythm.blogspot.com/2006...h-dime-new.html you should find it here? with kuck. AS ALWAYS DAVE KILWORTH (DtheDrug)

The best way of finding out whats what, is to contact the MCC, as every development has to go through the council, that gives a chance for any objections to be made, also gives a consortium to establish a quarum and aply to the arts council and English Heritage to list it as as a building of significant historical purpose, as the wheel was loved not just for rare soul, many top artists played at both venues, and that would add more clout, any body interested we could start a campaign over these pages, if you like I can see what IVOR thinks and also BRIAN ACTION IS NEEDED DAVE KILWORTH