Sebastian

The Fiery Spartans probably were Pic & Bill's backing band and that's why on the right on the Fiery Spartans label you can read "Vocal By: PIC & BILL". There is no need to put up a soundclip because the Fiery Spartans release is identical in every way to the Pic & Bill release(s). The Fiery Spartans 45 and the Pic & Bill 45s have been pressed using the same stamper and has got identical matrix markings.

Don't know about the UK issue, but it was originally issued in the US on United Artists 594.

The french Soul Record release has got decent sound quality, but the one on spanish Belter sounds very muffled. Here is the Fiery Spartans release, it is indeed insanely rare:

It's a bit strange to see the rather common euro releases of this tune selling for £100-£200 and then both of the mega rare Pic & Bill issues of "Talk About Love" on Charay (issued with two different flipside) sell for only £200-£300. Based on quality and rarity it should be £750 at least. I don't know how much it is in the Tim Brown and Manship guides, can anyone please check? The first release of "Talk About Love" (the exact same recording, but about 20 catalogue numbers prior to the Pic & Bill issues) is credited to Fiery Spartans (Vocal by: PIC & BILL) and I've only ever seen one copy of that one and it's the one I've got. Not interested in selling it, but would ask for a LOT of money if I ever did. If anyone has got their "What Does It Take" 45 on Charay for sale, please PM me.

SR 1 is worth about £10. SR 7 is expensive (even though £200 is optimistic) because it has got "Talk About Love" on it, which is EXTREMELY rare on its original US Charay release (releases really, as it was issued three times, but is still almost impossible to track down).

There's a Classic Example LP as well on GSF. I've sold my copy so can't check for any members, but here are some pictures of the album:

It's the original issue copies of: Major Lance - Too Hot To Hold / Dark And Lonely - OKEH 7226 which has got the small 45 RPM logo. White demos has got the big logo though.

Yes, that's right. Those with "painted labels" (Amy/Mala/Bell type 45s) are styrene though. I don't know for sure when it comes to this particular 45. But I've had other Okeh 45s like Major Lance "Without A Doubt" pressed on vinyl and with a scratched in matrix number instead of stamped. But really, we should get Manship on this thread, he might know.

That's the big 45 logo. Looks alright to me, apart from the fact that I've never seen it on vinyl prior to this. Wouldn't mind a vinyl copy instead of my styrene one actually. Pounding tune that one!

Yes. Pressed up a year or so ago. Value should be about £2-£3.

Two latest copies on eBay: May 30 - NM- cover/NM vinyl - $87 May 26 - VG cover/VG vinyl - $178

Yes, most of the time a cheapie to pick up when you find it. For example, a copy sold for £6.99 about a week ago on eBay and it only recieved one bid.

Kent released a truly superb CD in 2005 which celebrated the early 6T's and 100 Club events, check it out: https://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?pa...mp;release=4494 It's called "6Ts: In The Beginning" and I hope there will be further volumes.

Ah OK, must've missed that. Can't see what one would have against destroying the reissue copies of this 45...

Aren't the pink label copies second issues anyway... pressed up by Red Coach, quite some time after the white demo copies, due to northern demand? I'm sure I've read that years ago. Someone put me straight if I'm wrong.

I'm looking for the following 45, please PM me with the price if you've got it for sale: Bill Williams & Bileo - Things Will Be Better Tomorrow - WCM Thanks in advance.

Bud Harper usually sells for £75-£125 on eBay.

I ordered it from a seller on Gemm called NEWYORKCD, but it never arrived and no money was taken from my credit card so I guess they didn't have it in stock. Can't really find it for sale anywhere else... Would still really like to get my hands on a copy so if you find one, please let me know.

Don't know when it first started to get plays, but it was issued on a Goldmine CD back in 2000.

Yes, only two known copies as far as I know. Both are white demos and both apparently turned up in Toledo...

Usually about £75.

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So Much Love - faith hope & charity - maxwell

No, that can't be it, and those release dates are wrong. There are almost two years between the two releases. Chico was released April 1959 and Contours was issued on 20th of February 1961 (the "regional" version that is, the "national" one wasn't issued until May 1961). This acetate looks very dodgy to me.

I'm A Loser - blue bull - uni Refosoul Rare and Northern Soul Clip library - v3 getting there.. This is the most surprising cut I've ever come across on UNI. Proper moody r&b tune produced by Willie Mitchell.