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So as I understand it....both label versions are legitimate in the sense that they were both issued by the label, but the black and silver design was done after the coloured label to meet demand for further copies ? Wouldn't our American cousins just refer to this as "first and second press" as opposed to "original and reissue" ?

The were the Formations, Corner Boys and Hot Ice.

Ian Plenty have gone through Evilbay over the years and through US and UK dealers. I'm not saying there are thousands out there, but based on people I know have a copy in UK, EU and US they are probably out there in the hundreds. There's probably a ton in Japan as they were after this sort of stuff way before us. My point was the price people are asking you would think there is only a handful of copies i.e. a rare record. Andy

Yes you are on another planet There is a difference between rarity and value, usually due to demand. Kind of economics 101. This record has been around for years, and used to fetch just a modest sum. Certain DJ's get behind it and the demand goes up. Like most records on the soul scene when its gets big everyone wants a copy, so the 'cheque book charlies' drive up the cost because they must have it there and then. Obviously when the cost is high sellers will ask that amount, they would be foolish not to. But is it due to rarity...no.

I'm sure there was a thread about 12 months ago on some unreleased Ike Perry tracks. There was a sound file from memory also. Cant remember the titles but I'm sure someone will dig out the thread.

Not that rare, plenty of copies in existence. You might even get one if you ask on here.

Relisted due to non-payment. PM if interested Pure Pleasure - By my side - QC M- £90 Rarer Blue label copy seen listed on here by someone else at £250 a few weeks ago !!!! UK Postage £1.50 first, £3 recorded - to overseas / worldwide at cost Paypal as F&F or Gift Thanks Andy

Just a few today..... sound clips are for reference only and from Youtube Grading: M = Mint (rarely used) Ex = Nice condition with small signs of use VG = will have some surface marks and may play with a little noise but NO deep scratches or label damage. WoL = writing on label + and - will refine the grade further. Modern, Two Step and Crossover Pure Pleasure - By my side - QC M- £90 The rarer BLUE label copy Audio - Do you really love me - Mote M- £25 (7" copy) Nice Stepper - Rare on a 7" - usually 12" is the one for sale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwhFQGXgvLw Rue - I just wanna make love - Asiana M- £12 https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/search/Label/asiana/all/1 8th Day - You got to crawl - Invinctus M- £10 Classic Bo Cooper - I call it love - Bell Ex+ £10 Luv Co - things are not the same - Spring Ex+ £20 Group Soul Enchanting Enchanters - No One in this World - Ben Mo Keith VG++ £75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvJAEcxR7Rg Fabulistics - Absence - Scorpion Ex+ £20 The Turks - You turn me on - DJO M- £35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYSCg5Ipad0 Post is £1.50 First, £3 recorded and worldwide at cost based on post method selected. Paypal as F&F or Gift PM me for info or reservations Cheers

You forgot the third option which is a 'social scene', as many I know don't dance and don't really listen or take an interest in the music.

Hi Back again with some bargains. Record grading: M is mint unplayed (very rarely used) Ex is excellent record, showing small signs of use VG is very good where there will be signs of wear and tear and maybe some surface marks. The record may play with some surface noise, but there will be NO skips, jumps or deep scratches. + / - will refine the grade further. All records have a full refund guarantee. Paypal preferred as gift or F&F. Post is £1.50 First UK, £2.50 Recorded or £7.5 Special Delivery. Overseas at cost - dependant on post type. ________________________________________________________ Northern Stuff Bell Boys — I don’t want to lose your love — Jamar Ex £185 Classic with nice clean labels - Recent JM auction at £330 The Orlons - Spinning Top - Calla Ex- £25 Glen Watts — My little Plaything - Bunky Ex+ £15 Herman Griffin — Mr Heartbreak — Double L Ex+ £ 10 Reduced — nice mid tempo Dorells - Maybe Baby - G.E.L VG- £15 Nice mid tempo - Local label before Atlantic - plays well The Diplomats — Theres still a tomorrow — Wand Ex £20 Denise Chandler — Yes I’m ready / You’ve hurt me — Lock M £20 Minty unplayed copy - Dealer has this at £50 The Lovers — Do this for me — Phillips M- £5 Underrated tune — also came out as The Emotions on Vardan and Gate Ronnie & Manhattens - Come on back - Enjoy M- £20 Andy Mack — Later than you think — Chess Ex+ £ 25 Patti Labelle & Bluebelles - All or nothing / You forgot how to love - Atlantic WLP Ex £20 Nice promo Al Thomas - I had a good time - Virtue M- £15 __________________________________________________ Crossover & Modern The Promises — Living in the footsteps — Brunswick WLP Ex £15 The Gas Light — I’m only a man — Grand Junction M- £ 20 Loleatta Holoway — I know where your coming from — Aware WDJ M £5 Unplayed copy classic xover Audio - Do you really love me - Mote M £20 tough on 7" The Trends - You sure know how - ABC WLP sxol M- £25 Will Hatcher - Have a heart - Cotillion M- WLP £25 has a nice flip also Bo Cooper - Don't call it love - Bell Ex+ £15 The Embers - It aint necessary / Aint no big thing - Bell DJ Ex+ £30 Elvin Spencer - Lift this hurt - ES Cozy M- £15 The V Wagers - Lucky I found you - Salem M- £20 love this

Interesting question Robb. Being a Jobete tune I thought it would have been a shoe-in for one of Motown's girl groups to put out. But I've never seen any B side, album track or acetate with YTMBIS on it. I don't know the full story around Mary, but I understand it was Motown producer Marc Gordon who introduced her to Modern Records when she was 17. Why not to Gordy and his group of labels ? If you have any info it would be appreciated.

Looking for a copy of the above release from Numero records. It was part of their look into Ohio's Boddie studio vaults. it was a give away on the Número tour and to subscribers. Please pm with condition and price. thanks andy

I bought a pile of these off Moerer some years ago and knocked them out at 20 quid . it wasn't particularly rare and more of collectors record. Would have thought 50 quid absolute max today. A

This has gone on for years. I remember a guy in the Notts Derbyshire area in the 70's walking around venues with a 50 box trying to look clever. it also happened to me at the Bretby soul nights runs by Chris Anderton. One guy who now is a dealer had a box with one of my all time wants. We agreed a price and that he would keep it in the box until I was leaving and then I would collect and pay. Went back at the end of the night only to be told that the record wasn't for salemas he was just looking to see what reaction there was to it. i was all for removing his head at this point but others convinced me to ignore it and move on.

True Chalky, but I was referring to collectors of the soul 45's we collect but don't venture out into venues, forums, DJ ing etc. There are quite a few hidden collections out there and I know from meeting one of the said collectors that there are some rare and obscure items tucked away.

Chalky i base my comments on experience having had a few tunes over the years which I thought were in the two or three copy range only to find later that there were copies in collections over here and in the U.S. I know of two collectors who don't have anything to do with the scene but collect avidly. One of them is a lurker on here Drew (had to change the Monica to Andy Mac as there is a Drew already)

it's certainly rare over here, but I tend to steer clear of the one copy or two copies type assumptions. There are probably more copies stateside due to the various collecting scenes and as one U.S. dealer said to me "America is a big place". But like I said great find and enjoy it - well done !

I think it's a bit of a girl group collector thing as well in the U.S. and probably has a different value in that market. its always reminded me a little of the early girl group Motown stuff - but maybe that's just my ears. nice find anyway

Its not so much a recent thing, although I agree that there does seem to be some hyper inflated prices in recent months. Back in the mid 90's I wrote an article for a fanzine that was going to start up (but never did) and it was all about the jump in prices around that date and the reasons for it. I based my theory on getting a list from a dealer, who then went to the US and put a similar list out a couple of months later on their return. The prices had gone up with a £5 record going to £10, a £20 record going to £40 and so on. Often the price of a record bears little resemblence to the rarity. Think Bobby Reed on Bell, a very common record on a major label yet it still gets top pricing. So I thought about other factors and besides the obvious of dealers making profits and there seemed one major factor at the time. Many soul fans who left the scene when Wigan shut its doors - along with many other clubs also - it seems they began to return around this time coining the phrase used sometimes as "returnees". As they were off the scene getting married, kids, university or whatever they were doing other clubs took the mantle of Wigan e.g Stafford and they tended to play a different type of "northern" sound and catered for other types of soul music. So my theory at the time was that the returnees were listening to alot of new tunes and were eager to purchase, hence the jump in price due to demand not rarity. Today as someone has already mentioned, there are some different factors. The liquidity of a certain age group has improved with kids gone, mortgages paid and pension pots up for grabs they want to buy something near and dear to them - perhaps their favouite 45? There is also the factor that "northern soul" has gone global to a certain extent so UK collectors face more competition from overseas. Look at the low rider scene around LA and California, where our some of our treasured 45's are in demand for the sweet harmony flip. There is another factor in diminishing finds as more "mom and pop" stores, "one stops" and warehouses have shut down over the years and apart from a few exceptions large finds have been rare. Tastes change also, just look at some of the more funky stuff being played out at todays venues. There are of course the die hards. Those who must have the latest and greatest because "xyz" DJ or dealer said its going to be massive. Most people understand the hype but I've seen people get burned as copies come out of the collections as the price grows ever more expensive. All this means that we are bound to see whats happening now, with some very surprising sums being paid for what many assumed were common records. I think the Top 500 will always command good prices whether you like them or not. Some newer discoveries have remained truly rare and maintain their value, others will surface and prices drop accordingly. I guess you pays your money - you takes your choice !

Honestly Pete, the Latin track is just that a Latin track which doesn't really go anywhere and is not close enough to some of the more soulful brown eyed stuff to be played out at an NS venue. Computer says........no. The Creshendals is quite nice although a bit early for my my personal taste. However in comparing it to the Latin track its streets ahead. Andy

Ok, so I’ve been digging through the boxes weeding out all the filler copies I’ve had before getting better copies for the collection. So I thought I’d throw the first batch up here as a “soul pack” and see if they tickle anyone’s fancy. All of these will be between VG- to Ex- condition and taking into consideration the condition stated there will be some surface noise but no skips or jumps as far as I can tell. There will be some writing on some labels but no rips or tears. Obviously, the better the condition the better the playing quality. A quick price check and if they were minters it would be around £250, but these 12 are on offer at £50 plus estimate UK postage about £5 as they’d be parcel post. Paypal as gift or F&F Sound files are mostly on Youtube, so have a listen. Here’s the list of 45’s… Big Guys – Hang my head and cry – WB WLP VG (the sound quality is much better than this looks – great xover tune) Little Helen – More and More / Richest Girl – Soultown VG- smwol Darrow Flether – My Young Misery – Groovy VG Maskman & Agents – The world is a cafeteria – Mask VG stk on label (Ignore title this is good mid tempo NS) Derek Martin – you better go – Roulette WLP Ex- Theola Kilgore – Its gonna be alright – Mercury VG+ Carol Barnett – Unrest in the nation – Unity VG+ (obscure funky xover) ET White & Great Potential Band –Loosen up – Great Potential VG- smwol (bit of an Archie Bell “tighten up” groove) Barbara Mason – Aint got nobody – Arctic VG wol Alice Swoboda – I think its time – Note Ex- ( First issue before Roulette) Sidney Joe Quails – Where the lilies grow – Dakar Ex- Eric & Vikings – Vibrations / Get off the streets – Soulhawk VG- (nice group xover harmony)

I forgot....like Bitchdj PM me your address and I'll pop you a couple of bits in the post

Some good advice so far Newbie. If you're looking for portable players there are some around but the sound quality is not that great. I think Vestax used to be a popular one, but the most popular was the Sound Burger but they are no longer made, so difficult to pick up. Some great static decks can be had for around 100 or so. As for collecting the advice you have got so far is good. Look on here for sales as there are many bargins. Check Popsike for price checking and ask any questions on here, everyone will help. Dig into YouTube, as there are tons of soul tunes to listen to, but most of all collect what you like and don't listen to the Charlie's who tell you "this is the next big thing". There are tons of five quid records which are great. Start there and work up is what I'd say. Andy

Record grading: M is mint unplayed (very rarely used) Ex is excellent record, showing small signs of use and wear VG is very good where there will be signs of wear and tear and maybe some surface marks. The record may play with some surface noise, but there will be NO skips, jumps or deep scratches. + / - will refine the grade further. All records have a full refund guarantee. Paypal preferred as gift or F&F. Post is £1.50 First UK, £2.50 Recorded or £7.5 Special Delivery. Overseas at cost - dependant on post type. Group Soul Fabulistics – Absence – Scorpion M- £30 These Gents – Yesterday Standing by – Soulvation Army Ex £15 Slightly different mix to WW if I remember ?? The Cheaters – How much – Jolo Ex+ £75 Nice latin harmony – flip is nice uptempo Realistics – Please baby please / Too shy – Delite £10 Nice slowie with NS midtempo flip The Jades – Aint it funny what love can do – Capital Green DJ Ex+ Crossover / Modern Lyn Wyatt & Sunrise – you’re only as young / never let me go - Love Ex+ £50 Very obscure - Same label as Tal Armstrong – modern tune with nice mid tempo/ballad flip Bo Cooper - Don’t call it love - Bell Ex+ £25 Violinaires – I’m not worried - Jewel WLP Ex+ £75 Nice white promo of this current in demand tune Reggie S – Do you still love me – Q City M- £5 Jesus Alvarez – Please stay don’t go – Vibration M £10 Powerful People – Little girl say yes – Epic M- £15 Cheaper Northern Bits The Carltons – Ooh Baby – Argo VG- £10 Plays far better than it looks The Kittens – How Long / I just got to get over you – Chess M- £15 Very slight storage warp NAP. Flip side just right for today – northern meets sister funk ! Delfonics – Loving him – Philly Groove Ex £5 Eddie Powers – Gypsy Woman – Sims M- £5 Herman Griffin – Mr Heartbreak – Double L Ex+ £10 The Spectrums – Our meeting place – Mercury Ex+ £10 Ronnie & Manhattans – Come on back – Enjoy M- £20 Soul Superiors Band & Soul Sisters – Amateur Lover / darling I love you – Barvis WDJ £10 Claudine Clark – Telephone game – Chancellor M- £10 The Chandliers – Stop Dragging my heart around – Loadstone Ex+ £10 The Boss Man – You’re taking too long – Gamble WDJ Ex+ £5 The Jive Five – I’m a happy man – UA M- £5

far more difficult to get than most people think on 45.