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OK my two pennoth for what its worth. Over the years I've had the opportunity to talk to label owners, producers, artists etc and one thing that comes across loud and clear is that amongst the small independant labels in particular, the local scene in each town or city seemed to be one of chaos. Records being pressed at different plants wherever they could get them done, artists moonlighting between groups as did producers and engineers, different recording studios used....the list goes on and on. My own feeling is there are situations where dealers and collectors are guessing or perhaps stating what they believe is some logical explanation as to pressing differences. This then becomes "fact" amongst collectors and dealers. I'm not saying its the case here, but you never know. I remember speaking to one writer / artist about 10 years ago reagrding one of his records and he couldn't even remeber he recorded it, then when I sent him a scan denied it was him, before eventually remembering he did do it after all - FFS !! One of the most recent ones was The Chandlers on Blue Rose. Dealer says the Rite pressing with block capitals for the artist is the orig and the label with poor quality printing and not Rite pressed is the second pressing. Reason given is that the Rite pressing had a quality label. When I mentioned this to someone who was involved in that local music scene at the time, he said it could have been the opposite way round. The Rite pressing could have been done second to make up for the poor quality of the original pressing. My point is we make assumptions which may or may not be valid and relying on people to remember something from 50 years ago is always going to be questionable.

No defintely no other marking on the run out. However on previous threads it said the PES is there in some and not other origs ???

OK lets recap on the Jimmy Raye My copy looks exactly like the label shown in Pottsy's scan (thanks for that). It has the S-002-B in the run out groove (as the boot guide says the orig should have). There is a small matrix stamp to the left of the 'S' but it is much fainter than Pottsy's scan - almost illegible but definitely there. I played it as Jerry suggested and the record ends with a normal fade out and no abrupt ending. So whats the conclusion chaps ?

Yes. missed you had put it was a DJ copy

Thanks Jerry I'll play it tomorrow to check for sound deviation. Andy

Thanks Hammie Unfortunately according to previous threads and JM's book there is a boot which is yellow label, red Legend and Black credits. The key apprently is in the run out matrix which has specific letters (check previous threads). The letters dont correspond to my copy, so if yours is the same as mine it may well be a boot. Andy

Got the info now on the Millionaires. The orig has a Frankford and Wayne stamp. I remember it was on my old copy. Thanks for the PM's

Thanks for the info I have the JODAX and S-002-B and to the left of the S is a very faint matrix mark. But I cant find anything resembling PES. I think I'll say original for this.

OK I've gone back through all the previous threads I can find and I'm still a bit unsure.....so bear with me. I'm going to flog these but want to be sure on originality or otherwise. They have been in a mates box for about 30 years, and I only collect originals and dont have the JM boot guide. Jimmy Raye on KKC - Philly Dog - Mine is dark blue label with KKC S-002 A on one side and Hitch N Post, JODAX (BMI) Time 2:35 on the other. Artist name at the top and title at the bottom. Run out groove is scratched S-002-B. Now Dave Thorley posted up a scan of an original and it didnt have the JODAX on there. James Trouble posted up a scan with JODAX same as mine and said it was an original from Shifty. There were also comment that the S-002-B were orig. Which is the boot and which is orig ? Millionaires - you got to love your baby - Castle. Mine is a dull blue with LP 367002 and something like Virtue C@P R scatched in the run out. I'm voting boot as I recall my orig which I sold had a much darker blue label. Opinions ? Finally everyones disputed record James Lewis The Case of Time. Mine is Yellow label with LEGEND in Red and run out grooves say L001 A - 2 (or - v ) with ZTSC 148638 - 2A and further along URM. I'm voting boot again, but your opinions welcome. Thanks for your help

Record Grades Mint — unplayed or new with no signs of use Ex — very nice record with only minimal signs of use VG — used record with surface marks, perhaps label wear and some playing noise (NO deep scratches, skips or gouges). + / - will refine the grading OK I'll start with some stuff that was reserved by people but never paid for....with a price drop on a few If your interested in a few items we can work out a deal. Note: sound files are not mine and for reference only Crossover / Modern Jim Spencer & Son Rize - The blues are out to get me Armada - Ex £50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owFeSbafS9w Michael Valvano - For the first time in my life - Jodi Pat WLP VG+£45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPyH1XLDyZI Audio - Do you really love me - Mote M £20 (tough on 7") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s2fSYJ8rao The Trends - You sure know how - ABC WLP xol M- £25 The Ceasars - I got to know / Get yourself together - Both Sides Ex £150 (great harmony flip different take to Lanie release) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sXmfKR7bbw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn6-k_d_b6E Northern Len Jewell - Bettin on Love - Fontana WD Ex- £150 Joy Leonard — Don’t feel sorry for me — Hercules DJ Ex+ £50 The Orlons — Spinning Top — Calla Ex £25 Dynamic Deadbeats Band — Movin out — Greenedeem Ex+ £60 Eddie Miller — Skate & Shuffloo — Verve DJ Ex £20 (ignore title - great NS) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7xVulD0X5w Chuck Hampton — No sign of love — Royal Crest Ex- £40 (rare semi known up tempo - seen at £150 !!) Ronnie & Manhattans — Come on back — Enjoy M £20 (listed normally at £50 + ) Don Wyatt — I’ve only got myself to blame — Garpax M- £10 ( ex Cover up of a few years back) Claudine Clark — Telephone Game — Chancellor M- £10 Kenny Ballard — It sure looks good / I wanna love you — Toy Ex £10 (deep flip) The Magnificent Six — Hold On Baby — L Brown M £15 Chandeliers — Stop dragging my heart around — Loadstone Ex+ £15 Ronnie & Parlays — Am I in Love — Kerwood Ex £15 Eddie Simpson — Got to keep on Believing — Mamie M- £50 (on dealer lists much higher) Lord August & Visions — Found me a new Love — V.O.L M - £40 (rare Texas tune seen at £150) The Bluebelles — You’re just fooling yourself — Rainbow M £45 (issued as Bracelets on 20Th Cent) Roy C — Gone Gone — Shout WLP Ex vsmwol £15 Margret Travolta — I tried a thousand times — Spectacular Ex+ £20 (old Spencer c/u seen much higher) Postage : £1.50 UK first, £2.50 recorded and special and overseas at cost. Paypal prefered

I have a Val Shively catalogue from around '74, which makes interesting reading...............oh for those prices again

I think Chalkie once did a massive list of records which have been covered and then uncovered. Not sure it was on here or Dave Flynn's forum ? Chalkie, Chalkie, Chalkie..........where are you ?

It has been a well known record for years, originally on the modern scence. But as the northern crowd has become more accepting of the 70's type tune its got plenty of play over the years there also. I really dont understand why it gets the price it does, its not a rare record.

Record Grades: Mint — unplayed or new with no signs of use Ex — very nice record with only minimal signs of use VG — used record with surface marks, perhaps label wear and some playing noise (NO deep scratches, skips or gouges). + / - will refine the grading Back for another installement...sound files are for info only (not mine) Crossover / Modern Jim Spencer & Son Rize - The blues are out to get me Armada - Ex £60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owFeSbafS9w Michael Valvano - For the first time in my life - Jodi Pat WLP VG+£50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPyH1XLDyZI&feature=kp Will & Sweet Sounding Tornados - Stand by be - Turret VG+ £25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzxDSiy4JUY Promises - Living in the footsteps of another girl - BRC WLP Ex+ £10 Powerful People - Little girl say yes - Epic M £15 Ritchie jones - Cant Build a fire in the rain - Fantasy Ex+ £20 (manships £75) Albert jones - Unity - Kapp VG++ Issue Copy £20 Audio - Do you really love me - Mote M £20 (tough on 7") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s2fSYJ8rao The Trends - You sure know how - ABC WLP xol M- £25 Conservatives — Who understands — Ebonic M- £5 Loleatta Holloway — I know where your coming from — Aware WDJ M £5 Imported Moods — What have you done with my heart — Hi DJ Ex smwol £35 (listed at £100) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuD2ZkjT4mM The Ceasars - I got to know / Get yourself together - Both Sides Ex £170 (great harmony flip different take to Lanie release) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sXmfKR7bbw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn6-k_d_b6E Post UK £1.5 first £2.5 recorded, overseas at cost. Paypal payment please Cheers

Need this for a mates birthday prezzie (i'm sick of him asking for mine ) Anyway pm price , condition etc if you have one. Thanks Andy

Record Grades: Mint — unplayed or new with no signs of use Ex — very nice record with only minimal signs of use VG — used record with surface marks, perhaps label wear and some playing noise (NO deep scratches, skips or gouges). + / - will refine the grading Oldies Bell Boys — I don’t want to lose your love — Jamar Ex £250 (forgot I had this until digging through the boxes earlier this week- best copy I’ve seen for a while, nice clean labels for a change !) Karl Evans — Oo wee let it be me — Skyway M- £75 (probably unplayed — this was auctioned by Manship not too long ago) Orlons — Spinning top — Calla Ex £30 (very slight ring) Strangers (feat Richard Pitts) — Night winds — WB WLP M- £30 (probably unplayed in WB Co sleeve) Post UK first £1.50, Recorded £2.50, specials and overseas at cost.

Defo track 3 for me. Mmmmm....nice

Here we go with part 4 and more to come... Record Grades: Mint — unplayed or new with no signs of use Ex — very nice record with only minimal signs of use VG — used record with surface marks, perhaps label wear and some playing noise (NO deep scratches, skips or gouges). + / - will refine the grading Postage: UK first £1.50, recorded £2.50, and overseas at cost. Northern Four Gents — Tomorrow may never come — Oncore Ex- £175 The Magnificent Six — Hold On Baby — L Brown M £15 Chandeliers — Stop dragging my heart around — Loadstone Ex+ £15 Ronnie & Parlays — Am I in Love — Kerwood Ex £15 Eddie Simpson — Got to keep on Believing — Mamie M- £50 Lord August & Visions — Found me a new Love — V.O.L M - £40 (rare Texas tune) The Bluebelles — You’re just fooling yourself — Rainbow M £45 (issued as Bracelets on 20Th Cent) Roy C — Gone Gone — Shout WLP Ex vsmwol £15 Margret Travolta — I tried a thousand times — Spectacular Ex+ £20 (old Spencer c/u) Crossover & Modern Jim Spencer & Son Rize — The blues are out to get me — Armada Ex £100 Jimmy Delphs — Country girl — Eastbound WLP Ex £10 Rochelle Rabouin — This is my year — Cygnet M- £100 Delphonics — I don’t care what people say — Arista M £20 Bean Bros — Spinning around — D.I. Records M- £10 Rare Gems Odyssey — It don’t take much — Renfro Ex+ £15 Labronzo McDonald — Goody — Thrust M £10 ( remember Voices had something to do with issuing this ?) Impact — Just give a little — Full Scale M- £5 Hot Bush — tell me that you will — APA M £5

Sounds like a. He's given you the wrong tracking number (easy mistake I've had it happen to me) b. USP is routing it via Kentucky which is why its showing as that location (i've had records sent all over the US before arriving here) c. He's sent the wrong item to the wrong person. First port of call is back to the seller for an explanation. If nothing satisfactory comes back then it should go to Ebay dispute. You've not said what timescale this is. If its recent be patient, but if its been going on for some time, maybe Ebay is the next step.

Part 3 with more to follow..... Post is £1.50 UK first, £2.50 Recorded. Overseas and special postage at cost Record Grades: Mint — unplayed or new with no signs of use Ex — very nice record with only minimal signs of use VG — used record with surface marks, perhaps label wear and some playing noise (NO deep scratches, skips or gouges). + / - will refine the grading Northern Sheer Coincidence — I didn’t lie — Wright Ex+ £50 Jordan Bros — Ain’t No big thing — ID Ex £80 (original label before ARV) Rose Valentine — I’ve got to know right now — RCA WLP VG+ £35 James Jones — Whatever it is you got it — Virgo VG++ £20 (obscure Chicago Northern) Don Wyatt — I’ve only got myself to blame — Garpax M- £10 Claudine Clark — Telephone Game — Chancellor M- £10 Kenny Ballard — It sure looks good / I wanna love you — Toy Ex £10 (deep flip) Al Castana, Primettes & Precisions Band — I want you — Garu Ex+ £15 The Sensations — I wont be hurt — Wayout VG+ £5 Crossover & Modern Midnight — It’s never too late — Unison VG+ £10 ( Canadian label crossover) David Nevin — The maze — Pardner M- £15 The Knight Brothers — Ghetto Joe — Mercury VG+ £10 ( top tune) The Promises — Livin in the footsteps of another man — BRC WLP M- £15 Tony Love — My feelings will never change — HSR M- £5 Wayne Stevenson — Your love is gone — ST M- £5 Group / Sweet Child of Friendhsip Train Robbers — Will you answer — SA VG++ £10 The GT’s — Don’t Blame Me — JED’s Ex+ £5

US dealers often describe records as "rare" even when they dont know what it is. Twice I've responded to people selling acetates to inform them that yes its a soul record, but no its not rare and was issued on such and such label etc. Each time they have put the information up on the listing stating what it is after being informed. So from that I take it they genuinely did not know.

Hi Part 2 of the sell off (with more to come) I try to grade conservatively, but full refunds if not satisfied. Postage is UK first £1.5, Recorded £2.5. Special post and Overseas at cost Record Grades: Mint — unplayed or new with no signs of use Ex — nice record with only minimal signs of use, maybe a few marks VG — used record with surface marks, perhaps label wear and there will be some playing noise to various degrees (NO deep scratches, skips or gouges). + / - will refine the grading Some price reductions from the previous list The Orlons — Spinning Top — Calla Ex £30 (this is listed at £75 on dealers list) The Hot Tamales — Loves inventions — Detroit Ex- £10 SOLD Dynamic Deadbeats Band — Movin out — Greenedeem Ex £60 (this is at £250 on some lists) Northern Lee Rodgers — How are you fixed for love / Cracked up over — Wheelsville 118 VG £5 SOLD Tim Whitsett & Imperial Show Band — Still a lot of love — RIM M- £45 (old c/u at £150 on some) SOLD Soul Superiors Band & Soul Sisters — Amateur Lover / darling I love you — Barvis WDJ Ex 10 Phyllis Brown — I’ve got something on my mind — Le Cam VG++ £15 Eddie Miller — Skate & Shuffloo — Verve DJ Ex £20 (ignore title - great NS) Chuck Hampton — No sign of love — Royal Crest Ex- £40 (rare semi known up tempo) The Mandells — How to love a woman — M £10 SOLD Ronnie & Manhattans — Come on back — Enjoy M £20 Renaldo Domino — Don’t go away / I’m getting nearer — Smash WDJ Ex £5 ( note this is a lovely mint copy straight from a warehouse but has a small scratch causing audible ticks for about 20 seconds hence grade). Jim & Lee — Adam and Eve — Front Page VG++/Ex- £5 Crossover / Modern Jimmy Richards — I won’t be responsible — A&M DJ VG+ £10 SOLD Imported Moods — What have you done with my heart — Hi DJ Ex smwol £40 (listed at £100) Lee Shot Williams — it ain’t me no more — UA VG++/Ex- £15 (same take as the PM issue) SOLD Cliff Nobles & Co — Is Cliff Nobles & Co - it the way - J-V Ex £35 (Old Tim Brown tip) Tender Loving Care — Two fools are we / my world is falling — Renfro M- £20 SOLD .

Hi I dont go to many venues now so decided to sell off some stuff from the sales box. look out for more stuff coming through Record Grades: Mint — unplayed or new with no signs of use Ex — very nice record with only minimal signs of use VG — used record with surface marks perhaps label wear and maybe some noise (NO deep scratches, skips or gouges) + / - will refine the grading Northern Margie Joseph — One More Chance — Volt VG+ £25 SOLD Joy Leonard — Don’t feel sorry for me — Hercules DJ Ex+ £50 The C.O.D’s — I’m looking out for me / I’ll come running — Kellmac M- £20 SOLD Jayson King — Bamboo man / Heartaches — Bell M- £5 SOLD The Vanguards — Thought of losing your love — Lamp VG++ £10 SOLD The Orlons — Spinning Top — Calla Ex £40 The Ambassadors — I really Love you / Aint no big thing — Arctic VG++ £5 SOLD The Diplomats — There’s still a tomorrow — Wand Ex £25 (one very light scratch NAP would be M- otherwise - same as Eugene Gamble on Feron but 20 times less cost !!) The Hot Tamales — Loves inventions — Detroit Ex+ £20 Dynamic Deadbeats Band — Movin out — Greenedeem Ex+ £75 Contrails — feel so fine — Mileage Ex £10 SOLD The Embers - It aint necessary / Aint no big thing - Bell DJ £30 Crossover Roosevelt and 7 C’s — we were always sweethearts — Rondo M- £75 SOLD Leon Thomas — Thank you baby — Now M- £5 (orig label before Don) SOLD Famous Chromes — Teach me / Gotta get a groove — Drive Ex+ £20 Conservatives — Who understands — Ebonic M- £5 Loleatta Holloway — I know where your coming from — Aware WDJ M £10 The New Younger Brothers — Keep it together — YBP Ex £25 Group / Sweet James Dee, Piece of the action & Primettes - Jealous over Love - Enrica VG++ £40 SOLD These Gents - Yesterday Standing by - Soulvation Army Ex+ £10 Key Masters - Been so long - Quality Sound M £5 SOLD True Additions - Prentending - Grassroots VG++/ Ex- £10 SOLD Founders - Dont You leave me - Bolivia M- £10 SOLD

Only one copy now available. Andy

Having a bit of a sort out and came across 3 Copies of this LEGAL reissue done by Jamie Guyden. They are mint unplayed and have been in a box for about 15 years ! Both sides are great - check out YouTube for clips - but the flip "Time....." is the one for me. The original is very scarce and commands very high prices. £25 each - plus £1.50 P&P UK. Overseas at cost PayPal as Gift - preferred, concealled cash or cheque (would need time to clear) Cheers Andy