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Hi J., just for the sport I would have put up a photo/scan of said record for sale. Good price still. For the info, my copy looks vg++ and the flip side 'your love is all the help I need' which I love also, indeed crackles some too. I believe it's more to do with a mastering issue. As are many of those Miami typical recording sessions full of highs saturation... their trade mark maybe... LOL

Hi Paul, I don't think it's another "mix" but rather a re-mastering work for the pressing plant. In your case the Pennsylvania pressing plant (see the PL extension on the matrix). I had the Class-Mates then got the Coronadas on the SP pressing (Speciality pressing plant). These two are very-very close sound-wise. Where the PL and the Monarchs pressings, also going through their own mastering phase to do their pressing accordingly, tend to sound rather different I agree. The PL are harsher and the Monarchs deeper and the SP smoother.

Hi Robb, please let us know when you do ! Appreciated.

The mark of the BEAST !

...beatles so the favor was kinda returned... Beatles; but that can't be a favor ! LOL

2 different pressing plants for the Atlantic national distribution; top one "Speciality" & below one 'Pennsylvania', that is why !

Totally same lead; Johnny Moore with indeed the kids chorus. The Class Mate is the local issue and re-baptized as the Coronadas for the Atlantic national distribution release.

Done in different pressing plants. Only that.

Here's mine;

Brenda Holloway – together ‘til the end of time the Miracles – whatever makes you happy Kim Weston – a thrill a moment the Four Tops – ask the lonely the Spinners – sweet thing the Marvelettes – I’ll keep on holding on Martha & the Vandellas – what am I going to do without your love Carolyn Crawford – I’ll come running the Supremes – I want a guy Eddie Holland – I’m on the outside looking in the Temptations – girl (why you wanna make me blue) Frances Nero – keep on lovin’ me the Velvelettes – a bird in the hand (is worth two in the bushes) Marvin Gaye – it’s a desperate situation the Spinners – what more coulda boy ask for the Isley Brothers – my love is your love

Some of those majors as ABC, had runs of some specific numbers pressed in either this or that pressing plant only and then some never on styrene or the other way around accordingly...

Well they are 2 different takes that's what it is.

The Natural Four ITYWM on ABC is only styrene not vinyl, unless I'm unaware of that ?

I always ask in advance those sellers if they would "skip" that Globalized Shi**ing Prog. and if not, I drop the "deal". But as said here, many don't know that they have the opportunity to not go through that GSP and/or even how to "calibrate" it right. When it request you to pay $25 for 1 single shipped to Europe through the calculation of the GSP, something is definitely not right... one seller replied to me; I am not sure how the global international shipping program works. You would have to talk to someone how handles this. Sorry then; I am not sure how the international global shipping program works. Sorry Goes to show... I dropped it since the singles I was looking at were not that important to me. This is the modern world ! It takes a lot of consuming time and perspicacity to understand how it's working since the lasts changes, modifications and options. And then what it is implying at the other end of the line...

a little push...

Both sides are in my "ever & forever" top-ten ! I know, I do have my trad. and cons. Norzern Zoul (Jawol, ach !) "guilty" sides too... with only one single to her name (please don't mention that 'these heartaches') and very little story known around it, Dena Barnes is still a major artist in my heart. So many odd sides of the peculiar, picky and demanding passionate leaves us most of the time misunderstood. An almost "autistic" feeling.

'night wind' it is or am I wrong !? OK, too fast. I'm wrong and your right. Sorry bout that.

Nope. Styrene is light, stiff and always has a 90° outer edge where vinyl is heavier, souple and has most of the time a round or sharper outer edge. Some pressing plants in the 8T's made some vinyl 45's with a straight 90° outer edge though...

Can you provide us with a good scan or picture of that copy you're talking about ?

Same here ! Some european releases are much more desirable than any others, but for those 2 (Lebanon is not yet in Europe though ), I just disregard them while I veneer their US counterparts. But as said before, when it comes to collecting, one dog should know what bone he wants and the rest is just his own imagination and desire.

There's some of that 'hype' factor, there's also the USA only collecting type of collectors. I understand them much more than they understand me I'm sure. LOL ! But really and I mean really, I always collected some of those euro releases but not all of them. I'm based in Brussels and they use to float around some. I collect a lot (once again not all picture sleeves) with a soft spot for those beautiful soul French EP's, Holland's Artone soul singles, Belgian Brunswick's soul singles and other bits like early French Atco with folding sleeves... The French Googa Mooga's are all much less rarer than their USA counterparts. Only Eddie Parker 'crying clown' on Triple 'B' who was found years ago in bulk as NOS maybe less rarer now than the Googa Mooga. I've heard stories of NOS bulk of Googa Mooga's on the flea market here in Brussels years ago... Anyway I'm happy with my Googa Mooga's cause they sound great, the sleeves are good looking and they are affordable. But that Ashford USA label is great looking I must admit. Where the Sonia label for Al Garner is dull to death IMHO.

That I didn't know. That just makes all his musical taste UND knowledge claiming on what is "the best ol' soul music" and all his insulting gibberish squeak to real records, DJ's who don't vote Labour (or worse !!!) and "collectors" who pay (or crate dig) to get their records (bring back Robin Hood) even more worthless IMHO ! Maybe he thought to himself that he was in the nice'N'beautiful country where everyone's nice and cute but where the bad'N'nasties are that and can be despised eh ! Where it's actually the other way around but we are not outrageous on those matters. Ever since I can remember that it's only those preventive words passed on to say to avoid (mp3's, no OVO's, TOP 500's or cheapskate sounds from whatever edit thingy) on some venues like a good advise, right ? Don't eat or drink that you're gonna fall ill ! You do that will people you care for. But not in a scandalous way or behavior me think.

This is the one but mine also has those stamps... looks more like a record representative "trade mark" to me. A DJ could be that also actually.

Thanks to Dazz we can have an overview of the label variations through the numbers : _________ITALIC_______________STRAIGHT_________ Now has anyone got the non-italic BAD BOYS records (straight NOT italic) of 'love' gonna pack up' as in second pic here and check if it's the wide scratched matrix with the broad run out groove or not ?

The plot thickens is common phrase... but here I just got in "another" copy of 'love's gonna pack up' and it's a darker yellow matt variation. Not only that and most important the "scratched"matrix is written with large character in a wider run out groove. First "old" lighter matt copy I owned and second "new" darker matt one I just got in. While both other italic BAD BOYS records matt and shiny label variations (as the 2 firsts shown on beginning of thread here above) share both the very same matrix and stampers, this new one was made with another stamper. On ear, this new darker one suffers less of high distortion and so the basses are tighter and deeper. I made a soundclip/mix of both tunes so you can ear the differences. Just a look at the recording "visual frequencies meter' top one being the old lighter one and the second the new one. sly.mp3 Check the mp3 I did here. Recorded one after the other without any touch on volume ! Start with the "old" one with pale label and thin matrix then the "new" one with darker label and large matrix. Then Switch and so on... 0:00 to 0:45 old lighter 0:45 to 1:30 new darker 1:30 to 2:15 old lighter 2:15 to 2:40 new darker 2:40 to 2:50 old lighter 2:50 to 3:10 new darker So if Sonny Day pressed all those ones, he must have had an issue with the older stamper, masters and/or tapes. My guess is that those copies with the smaller matrix where made with a re-recording of the actual record. That could explain the lower volume and the distortions. Unless someone knows better...