Steve G

Nothing strange in Sam selling a record and trying to buy it back some time later`Dave

Yes I thought I did

Tis a feckin great record though.

That means he'll be cash rich at Letchworth tonight then

Actually the remix of "Never" is a pretty good dancer. As for Frank Popp and cover versions and cover ups related to Frank Popp - not down this way we don't play them in our clubs.

It's pretty rare. I know one was auctioned on JMs site a few years ago. Thing is Bell probably never distributed it. Ian's had hiss on it, think that one went to Tim Brown in the end.

Staples and A Way of Life versions for me. I even play Way of Life sometimes, it does the dancefloor bit.

Think Sam was going for it. It's pretty rare but I cannot recall what it sounds like, as I don't have it myself.

Loads of female stompers out there - some people call it shuffling down here.....

Yeah it's a real budget production, but it does fill the floor.

Hey Stefan It's nothing like the unissued version that Soul Sam is playing....Steve

Hey Bob when I was down in LV I was asked everywhere I went if I "needed a Frederick Hymes" - got the impression there was a box full under the counter but this too is conjecture and there may have only been a few "especially for the Brits". I have not said categorically it was counterfeited (though it might be), more that it is a second issue (I assume with the label owner or artists permission) but who knows and I certainly wouldn't be asking the guys down there to tell me. Pete's dating thing is interesting, and that tends to point to a recent issue. There are plenty of better records to collect without the "uncertainty" around this one. Steve

What about a demo of Huey Smith & Clowns, think that's pretty rare. Got it from Mick Smith a while back.

You funk boys!

You are avin a larf Simon - not too soulful?? Great harmonies......

It is a pretty hard record to find......good to see you too. Steve

Frederick Hymes 1st issue is a murkier and darker yellow much flatter in colour, and the vinyl is different. I have seen them both together at Cleethorpes (though haven't dated them like Pete!!!). Not sure if the 2nd issue is a counterfeit or just a legit re-issue from the singer or label owner...... I agree stone mint records still do turn up - they've not all been subjected to years of DJ cueing abuse

For about the 50th time: The Royal Esquires turned up because someone found the label owner who had all the copies in his garage. It has not been bootleged. The owner has subsequently died. Things like that happen in this biz, people find records. Having said all that, I understand it can be done, but I am still waiting to hear of an example where people think this has happened?

So what records do you think this has happened to? We know the Fred Hymes III has a second press and it's different from the original. You can still find minty stuff - like the guy that found all those 4 Tracks on Maningo (the so called "25 or so" ). The internet has opened it all up a bit and some of the old record guys are dying. I still reckon I can tell a new press from a legit 60s / 70s release, even if it's had talc put on it, and been rubbed on the carpet to make it look old.

they might not know the difference not all dealers are knowledgable despite the aurra some of them give off - but if you believe that is happening tell us who? Presumably someone with a Las Vegas connection?

I believe it was played at the Mecca for a couple of weeks in the 70s......was an ex Yarmouth sound too in the early / mid 90s, think that's where Maxine heard it. It came out twice on the label.....You recovered yet Russ? Stgeve

Perhaps someone thought they were buying THE TRIPPS version which is very good.

But we've (me and others) been banging on about those Frederick Hymes being "2nd issues" for years - a shame a few more people don't listen to what they're told Steve

Tis indeed a classic.

Feck me - got mine from Clarky for 20 about 3-4 years ago - I know everyone hates to hear that, but why has it got so expensive?