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You forget to take into account all the copies that have turned up since 1973 and demand, or not

Fabulous voice. I wondered why she had been quite, she gave birth last year! These two tracks recorded prior to the event. Hope there is another Lp forthcoming as the last was great.

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It isn’t so much the formulaic nature of the record but the sort of repetitiveness of the tracks, the one you played at Rugby for instance. With yer 60s and indeed 70s & 89s you got verse, chorus break etc. But each to their own.

I never hear anything like Jasper Street at your typical northern or even across the board nights, (if ever there was a stupid term that is it 😂 ) if anything like this did get played it would clear the floor in seconds.

Some more writing on the Philly group. Late 50s there was also a West Coast group of the same name, mainly surf, 1970 there was a Dutch group, so not an isolated name. No mention of them being the Trenton group. https://www.waybackattack.com/revels.html

People cannot see facial expressions so unless you use some sort of emoji others don't know what you are implying

I remember Brian Goucher playing Lisa as a pre-release, I think

There wasn’t one member of the late 50s Philly group in amongst any of the Trent Town group, not going by the signatures. Also a different spelling. It was said on the other topic that it is thought they were different groups. There is a vast amount of group names used by more than one group so it is more than feasible Re-vels or a derivative was also used. The Philly group had just one release post 61, in 1964 so it is quite feasible the name wasn’t even around or in memory by the time the Trenton group were about!

It would appear they are the same if it is accurate

According to the copyright of entries Johnnie Starr is a pseudonym of John M. Arnold Discogs also lists a few other with slight variations in the spelling, others too if you follow the links https://www.discogs.com/artist/719983-Johnny-Starr

Unless it sounds northern (60s/70s retro) in its style they aren't interest. Most aren’t interested in anything different 60s wise so try and get them to accept new releases is never going to happen.

Not sure, its on their site. I’m not trying to put you off buying it mind.

I was the first to contact Alice’s grandson and put him in touch with Ace and I’m pretty sure Dean Rudland said they had already done what they are claiming?

The Alice Clark has already had a release on BGP (Ace Records) and is still available, white vinyl too if memory serves

I also have to disagree, you can’t be looking too hard if you think new releases are a bit thin on the ground. I would imagine the review from 66 is also a tiny fraction of records released with plenty released at that time that were of interest to us.

But Richard was a Clifton Hall resident as well as Wigan. Arthur and Sam also did a fair few trades with Richard so maybe some did start life at Snaith and then onto the Casino/Clifton Hall.

I've been doing a list of events from 1980 onwards. Early 81 was the first mention of a venue as being Modern Soul, the Oak Hotel, Shrewsbury, Modern Soul Sounds 70s & 80s. That is the first reference in echoes. The first all-nighter event reference to Modern Soul, Phil Armstrong's True Soul niter at Belindas in Leeds. Modern Soul Room with Richard, Sam and Arthur. Clifton Hall up to 82 was basically oldies and a continuation of what was happening at Wigan, Richard featuring plenty of modern, as did Pat, Poke, Steve Mannion and Sean Hampsey. No reference to it though. It was as I said earlier newies or 60s and 70s. 1981/2 would be the birth of the Modern Soul scene as a scene on its own. As more and more Modern Soul was featured the 60s crowd began to feel pushed out and we would see the rise of the 6ts Mafia. There would be still plenty of modern featured in main rooms but we would begin to see the second room for Modern sounds and over the next few years Modern Soul would practically disappear from all-nighters with just maybe one Dj who did an hour of 70s and the Modern Soul crowd would go their own way.

But it isn’t impossible, you've just described how it should be, always evolving, anything else is an oldie.

The term “Modern Soul” wasnt used to describe what was being played until 1981/2. Shrewsbury Soul Club the first to use it and Sam the first to use when referring to the records, early Backbeat reviews. Prior to this they were still newies which encompassed both 60s, 70s and new releases. Shrewsbury and Snaith were probably the two leading modern soul venues at the time.

Lets face it the only reason many of the northern crowd like some of the recent stuff is because it is pretty retro, they wouldn’t dream of touching the stuff that they cannot dance to like they can 60s and 70s unless they can rip someone off. There is though plenty of good new music out there to satisfy whatever part of the fence you sit on, retro or modern As for the term Northern Soul, I actually like it, it gave us an identity and still does despite getting hijacked by divvies in more recent times.

But you can say the same for any decade, 70s Carstairs very much different to anything before it on the scene. Music progresses, instruments fall in and out of favour, techniques change. You cannot expect today's music to sound like it did 50 years ago otherwise it is just retro. There are venues out there that play more recent things but if you want stuff that sounds like 60s or 70s you might be disappointed.

The Northern Crowd still refer to 70s as modern because they haven’t moved on. In reality it is nothing of the sort, its 70s soul, 80s soul and so on modern in any genre is new, up to date or at the very least recent.

There is a signed 45 in a previous topic