Chalky

Plastic stiffeners might be ok in theory but do they absorb shock?

Even if the package was too thick for the large letter slot and was to then be a small package it still wouldn't be a fiver, about 3.50 I think.

The Rita Lee was done for the scene by the owner, as were other releases. Brad or Barrie Wadd were in touch with him at one time. i thought Cresa and Rita were slightly different when listened to in the cold ligt of the day. Listened to them both round at Andy's but it was a few years ago. Will try and compare them.

Ebay is not a reliable indicator of prices though is it, they are all over the place. And Anita Humes has also sold for more on ebay on a consistant basis. Many no longer bother with it because of charges and fees. Add your postage to the price and it is no longer the baragin one thinks. One dealer today says he rarely looks at it. Anita Humes, you couldn't get one for £25 upon hearingfor the first time from a dealer, £40 would be about thebest you could expect. It wouldn't be much cheaper on a list on say here. Like I said we all get bargains and drop lucky but there is a perceived and accepted value for most records on the scene and this must be the price you go by otherwise the event loses all credibility.

I think you might have got lucky with a few Anita Humes is £40/£50, as is the Wanderers. Kent Anniversary, not many for £25? As I said IMO the criteria for anything like this is that you can go to a dealer and buy it upon hearing it. There are collectors with what they have bought over the years who could make a mockery out of this with some records that are expensive today.

there must be some on here who is paying the daft amounts for boots maybe thay can explain the reasoning behind it?

Martha Shamley is the Detroit Martha Starr's real name.

We do check them and reset them but Dj's like to fiddle. They don't seem to realise it sounds different out front.

I once saw a Charay listing for Cressa Watson with number but never found it again.

Rita certainly was, someone was feeding the Major info about what was happening on the scene.

I think Andy's has Cresa crossed out and Rita written on the label in biro.

Who is playing carvers Phil? I'm not one for going and looking at what is being played unless I want to know what a record is or if I am surprised by someone playing some major rarity/obscurity. You can set up the decks as professionally as you want but it all goes tits up when the DJ's arrive cause they f*** it up again as they have little idea what to do most of them.

No clips on the net as far as I know. Mighty rare, I know of three copies over here.

I would imagine they are privy to what is being said and like I said they must be happy the way it has gone by and large. I agree there has been some nasty comments and they are totally unjustified and uncalled for, Dave nor any of those in the adverts deserved some of the crap directed their way. But the dress, the portrayal of the scene in these media campaigns, the constant impression that everything today is as it was in 1974 to 1977, it does p*ss a large amount of people off because it isn't how they want the scene portrayed nor themselves to those on the outside, but they should behave like adults when giving their opinion. And yes life would be poorer without the scene although I could live without it as I would still have the music and that is what it is ultimately about.

You are right in everything you say but everyone is also entitled to an opinion. As long as it isn't personal and vindictive then I see nothing wrong in giving those opinions. And after all this is a forum, debate, argue and pass comment is what happens on them. People who have invested time money and effort into the scene are entitled to an opinion. Just because you or others don't agree with it doesn't make that opinion wrong, doesn't make it right either for that matter, there is no right or wrong. I said earlier people can dress how they like, it doesn't bother me each to their own, some of the clothing in the ad looks smart. But people must be pretty naivé to think an advert can be made and no comment will be passed. Those who made the advert are probably pretty happy with all the talk, both good and bad, shredded wheat has had tons of free publicity.

Why on earth would you spend £112 on a boot? It has to be because they are DJing with it. It the argument was simply to play some vinyl at home then you get a carver cut at £30 and save almost £100, make the labels yourself. The scene was built and based on rare 45's in their original format. That seems to have been lost along with a lack of imagination. What happened to DJ's getting a set because they actually had something different to bring to the party and not the same as the previous DJ? The whole market has become infested with boots, google any particular record and you will get a result for somewhere like Juno with one of these lookalikes or ebay with the same. Ebay is a waste of time, far too much time wasted trying to find anything decent amongst the boots. What are the record companies doing about these sellers, surely they are watching places like ebay? Are they bothered? As for DJing if you don't have the records leave it to those who do, there are enough of them without the need to resort to boots.

I like it myself and I am happy with the LP, carrying LP's doesn't worry me in the slightest. Played the track out myself the odd time some years ago.

The will always be spurious claims of legitimacy about the second press, often by those selling or owning a copy. It was Lil Peddler, Julian Fowler who had all or a lot of the 2nd press. His wife sister was married to the drummer or something like that. I think all the claims were made to simply sell the copies. After all they were unlikely to say they were a recent press and effectively worth a tenner or so and not what they were actually selling them for. I personally think they are recent and were made to make a fast buck after seeing the cost of the original.

The need for shelling out several hundred for the french 45 just to get the right version so they don't have to carry an extra heavy LP is beyond me. It is the original format as well and it's not as though they weigh that much more. The money saved would fund more vinyl!

There is a start here https://www.45cat.com/label/hollywood-us I can have a go at scanning R&B indies tomorrow?

Do you want it from it's inception as it is a fairly lengthy one. Two pages in R&B Indies.

If they weren't aware it just shows how little some take notice as most I know sussed them straight away. Is this record getting another lease of life? I hope not

There was more than a few

Exactly. Ebay is a joke, they couldn't give a toss about bootleggers because they are making money out of them. There is no wonder many are deserting ebay.

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