Chalky

Recent Clifton Hall topic.....

Maybe as many good as bad was off the mark but from what I do know are Wigan records, there is many that are extremely poor, many that haven't stood the test of time BUT I could say that about other eras as well. Younonly have to look at the vast number of records played in the past and how many most DJ's rely on to satisfy the dancers, a small percentage when analysed. The point I was trying to make is when you are attempting to be ground breaking dross is going to get played, Mecca, Wigan, Cleethorpes, Stafford and today. The Hamilton Movement, well if I had a choice of some of the Wigan pop or records like the Hamilton Movement I know which I would choose.

Topic regarding 80's venues.

Oh nearly forgot Ruff Cutt, Shotts!

Previous topic with link to my flyers on flickr...

If you go to my site you will see the most complete record of who played what at Stafford, still more to do. There is almost 60 podcasts, nearly 300 photos of the rogues who frequented not just Stafford but Oddfellows, Blackburn, Chesterfield and may other 80's venues. I have echoes from the year and half after Wigan and there are a lot of bleak weekends but the two mainstays were probably Cleethorpes and Clifton Hall until early to mid 1982. You then got Stafford, Oddfellows, Morecombe, 100 Club, Warrington, Blackburn, Chesterfield Winding Wheel, Bradford and countless other venues, some just a nighter or two, some a year or two. i have loads of flyers, many on my flickr page, echoes and other magazines. Let me know what you want specifically and will help where ever. I will be doing a definitive written history of Stafford with hopefully Dave Thorley when I get to the end of the podcasts.

Whenever it was it wasn't when Stafford started in April '82 unless it was another DJ.

I don't need to go anywhere to form an opinion about any particular record, just like you are forming an opinion about this record. You seem to have an opinion about more records than anyone on here witout out justification of ever attending a venue where it was played.

It's been played out by one or two in the past. there has been a recording about for soemtime, was said to be taken from the tapes, given to a few and played here and there. I'd never seen nor heard of the acetate till it appeared on JM's facebook page. Great record and surprised it went so cheap really, same for Out A Sights.

Don't forget for some unexplained reason the postage is included in that £36 and £135. Another back door tax aimed at screwing every last penny put of us.

Years gone by those fewer djs had some imagination now the large majority don't...they are the ones that are limiting the scene not those with records only a few exist, one offs etc.

It doesn't limit or undermine the Soul scene, some people just don't seem to get it. The scene is built and based on rare obscure records, records you have to travel to hear, records that make a dull working week wothwhile. It is that 0.01% who make it worthwhile not the lazy ones who play the same records as the majority, those that cannot be bothered putting the hours in and seeking out a decent imaginitve set and a set that doesn't have to cost the earth either. The whole ethos and values of the scene are being eroded away by the mentality of many out there. As for downloads or cds, if that is the original format then play the sodding thing, people make hard work of something so simple.

If you saw this for a fiver you would definitely buy it, you'd just come on here and sell it for a vastly inflated price

Do the lazy f****** who play boots and pressings get paid less than someone who does it right? No I doubt they do so why do promoters book them, do they have their own promotion that they wish to DJ at as well? Probably! When in tescos or whatever supermarket you use you don't pay the same for the value line as you do for a brand line. Plenty of DJ's who do have the real thing so do your customers s favour and book them. Promoters should worry about giving people decent surroundings with a good atmosphere and a good sound system. If everything is right they will pay the money and return. When people are paying hard earned money to get somewhere and get in to the venue then promoters shouldn't cut corners.

There has been plenty of copies about recently, it ought to be £50.

Pressings have been selling for daft amounts for some time now, long before the film came out

Just got round to watching this, absolutely fantastic. They can all clap in time too..

I will have tickets for this night at Lifeline tonight and the 100 Club next week, come and see me if you want one. Don't leave it late, it was sold out the last two years and if Debbie Taylor last year is anything to go by this will be a fantastic night.

R.I.P. Jimmy.

Yu d talk some rubbish. No amount of lateral thinking can get away from the fact it is a bootleg, unauthorised and illegal. No matter how you look at it, no permission was sought, no rights obtained no royalties were obtained by the rightful owner. I don't need to read any magazine nor look into any collection. Neither does a discography legitimise a bootleg.

I did read that unreleased material goes into the public domain after 50 years, that being the reason the Beatles have been issuing unissued material of late. But back on topic, I find it incredible people attempting to legitimise bootlegging simply because it wasn't issued

Dunno about reissue, it is a boot. i still think there is some stock of the boot left, or there was.

It was the Phrenetics band and taken from the studio tapes which had a couple of dozen 'takes' on it I believe. One of the musicians referring to it at one point as chicken shite.

Michigan Move. Can from session tapes from the Washpan set up.

a few words I put to paper.... It started as a dream, but it wasn’t all sweet dreams. Many sleepless nights, worries, stress and doubts were endured by Elaine and Marco. Several years later, this weekend saw the realisation of that dream. Over 120 cinemas, many with showings sold out saw the opening of ‘Northern Soul The Film’. I like many others ventured to the cinema to take in the film after years of expectation with us all hoping the film would live up to the hype and expectation and prove to be a success for our friends Elaine, Marco and every one involved in the making of the movie. Knowing who had consulted, who had been involved, the years of preparation by the actors, learning to dance, learning the scene and what it means to those like myself who have invested the whole of their adult life (and part of their youth as well) into the greatest youth culture and dance scene this country has seen we shouldn’t really have had any doubts. Now I was too young to go to all-nighters during the time this film was set but I could relate to the life depicted in the film. The lighting was on the dark side, but I thought it captured the time and life in those times pretty much as it was for those living in tough working class industrial towns and villages in the north, it’s grim up north as they say. The story itself held no surprises but the film depicted something we can relate to. A young lad, doesn’t quite fit in at school, fed up with school and bit of a loner, fed up with what is considered his lot until almost forced to visit the local youth club by his mother. Here he was to discover Northern Soul and so begin a journey many of us can relate to, not just the music but the life that went with it. “A way of life’ used by many, derided by many but to a certain extent it was true. Working in tough boring jobs, many with no prospects or future, all many of us had to look forward to was the weekend when we could escape with the music and mates from all over the country and many of us with the same dream of going to America to find our own ‘cover ups’ as the stars in the film had! The music was everything, and to hear Lester Tipton follow the news on BBC Radio, Duke Browner (I almost clapped myself), The Tomangoes, Salvadors, Eddie Parker, Luther Ingram, Towanda Barnes, Freddie Chavez, Vel-Vets, Lou Pride and many more belting out over a large cinema screen was nothing short of amazing especially one of my all time favourite records “The Originals’ and ‘Suspicion”. Whilst I’ve heard them many times, some too many, to hear them in this setting and to see the attention they are getting all over the country is something I thought I would never see. Once upon a time it was something I never wanted to see, I wanted to keep the scene to ourselves, underground and away from the masses but with an aging group of support some young blood is needed to keep it going and if this film gets some more youngsters involved who take to it like we did years ago then that is no bad thing. Sure tourists will, no doubt come along, just as they did back in the 70’s but they will disappear as quick as they turned up. The detail in the film was amazing and it is this that made the film the success it is. Elaine not only captured the time that many can remember and relate to, the clothing was as close as you are going to get. As a mate said if those who wear today what they think they wore back then, then they should watch this film and see what was really worn. I can remember my first pair of Solatios, from a small cobblers/shoe shop in Brimington near Chesterfield, seeing them, in the window, pestering me mother till she gave in then spending ages hammering the segs in, you could hear me a mile away! I really was extremely impressed how close Elaine and the crew had got this film so close to how it was at the time. Yes we could all pick a few faults, an error or two in the continuity, the odd track or two that weren’t really from the time in question but as a film, as a sound track it all flowed effortlessly. Some complained about the drug element but they were part of every sub culture and were there. Many who I have the utmost respect for, who were there at the time and earlier have said that the film got it spot on. They could actually put a real person to those portrayed in the film, even shedding the odd tear for times and mates a long time gone from this world. Was lovely to see the nod to Pete Lawson, one who for him his life, he lived breathed and died Northern Soul, much missed by many. Also the lovely tribute to Fran who put so much into the film but sadly passed away not too long ago before seeing the film on the big screen. A nod must go to the actors and young dancers who having begun with no knowledge of the scene, no idea what it was and not to mention not having a clue about the dancing. With the help of several who do know a move or two, dozens of ‘lessons’, nights out to ‘proper’ soul nights and nighters they nailed it, they are better dancers than some seasoned scene veterans. They really did look the part, well done to all involved. I thought it would be hard to remain objective from something I have invested so much time into, also because those involved with the making I consider friends and I was afraid I would be over critical and pick parts of the film apart but I am really pleased to say that I really enjoyed the film, I was sat their with a big smile on my face knowing I could relate to everything that was on the screen and knowing I have been part of something special since my mid teens. The plot, the music, the attention to detail, you can see why it made joint film of the week on what I consider the best film review show out there, Kermode and Mayo’s Film Review aka Wittertainment. Four Stars in the Times and rave reviews in many other papers, magazines and shows. Elaine can be proud of what she has achieved, a fabulous tribute to the best underground music scene this country has seen. Well done Elaine and everyone involved, you can be immensely proud to have created something so special, only someone involved in the scene like Elaine is can have got this so right. I am now looking forward to getting home at the weekend and watching the DVD!