Chalky

I bet they have always been sold as originals with the seller unaware. Probably same price for boot and issue too.

Apparently on the boot the matrix is upside down. Just the issue as well I believe. I have an issue for sale and not had one sniff at it whilst it has been in my sales box.

How bad is the crack, hairline, all the way through from edge to edge?

It may have been released in 1966 but it was recorded/mastered in 1965 according to the matrix SPKM-5126.

From another forum page I was reading.... In 1963 another set of codes was introduced. 1st character (year recorded) P: 1963/R: 1964/S: 1965/T: 1966/U: 1967/W: 1968/X: 1969/Z: 1970 (I have the other codes up to 1991 but I can’t be bothered to type those in tonight. E-me if you need them.) 2nd character (label designation) A: Grunt/B: TMI/C: Camden/D: Neon/E: Educational/F: Wooden Nickel/G: Groove/H: Hugo & Luigi (1963-64), Chelsea (1972-73)/J: Children/K: Daybreak/L: Wheel/M: George Jones Musicor masters (1972-73)/N: Various Artists/Promotional/P: Popular/R: Red Seal/S: International/T: Gregar (1970-71) then Metromedia (1972-73)/V: Victrola/W: Country & Western/X: Chart/Y: Calendar (later renamed Kirshner)/Z: Colgems/1, 2: Readers’ Digest/3, 4: Custom (in-house disc mastering)/5: Custom (outside disc mastering) 3rd character (size & speed) A: master tape (also B, C)/K: 7" 45rpm/L: 7" 33rpm/P: 10" 33rpm/R: 12" 33prm 4th character (description) A: stereo EP/B: mono EP/M: mono/S: stereo/T: quadrophonic/1: New York City recording/2: Chicago recording (discontinued in 1973)/3: Hollywood recording/4: Nashville recording/5: outside recording/6: foreign recording (?)

The matrix I'm referring to though is for mastering not the time of release.

I'm going by the matrix on the left hand side on the scan you posted underneath the RCA 47-8841? His unissued one on RCA What's That On Your Finger according to the cd notes was early 1966.

Kenny Carter is 1965, the "s" at the beginning of the matrix defines this. S(1965 )P(either promo or pop?) K(45) M(mono)

Ed Cooper and Herman George only two I know of and the only two listed in R&B Indies?

It has had some spins, Kev Fev one if I remember giving it some spins. No serious turntable action though as I remember, used to get it more on tapes.

What Can A Ma Do was on a Beltone acetate.

It's definitely two different singers on the two releases and vocally the original is far superior.

Just the car park that is damaged according to what I've read today, the roof the worse hit.

Post 10 mate

He hasn't too me either Pete but I just found his comments a bit puzzling? I don't see where JM has said he had just discovered the other side of the 45 and to insinuate he doesn't know the nighter scene since Cleethorpes is ridiculous.

As Phil promotes Tim's auction and list he may have an ulterior motive with his comments? John has probably forgotten more than most of us know.

Where does he say he's just discovered the best side?

Butch has played it recently......

First track on this podcast..... https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/blog/files/a9f336cb9bb8f6bcc3836a8f8d64bbc9-6.html

Suspicion and Forever In My Heart would probably be in my top ten. It would be hard to find 100 Motown as good as 100 from the best of the rest. There are some brilliant records from the Motown stable but the rest some of the stuff is off the scale by comparison. Ric Tic, Wingate, Golden World etc aren't Motown either. They were competition run by rival label owners. Gordy simply bought them to put them out of business and cream off the talent he wanted. Who knows how great those label could have been if it wasn't for Gordy's dirty tricks.

I also think some of those sold in recent time (Jackie Day) are the ones previously sold. Still a rare record, not that many turned up compared to Clara Hardy, Four Tracks etc.

Didn't JM auction one for about 500? I've seen a few go for 250 plus in recent times.

It was probably only really known to collectors as it hadn't had much turntable action at all until recently. Had brief spins in the mid 80's with Keb. I started playing it about two or three years ago, still do now and again.

Not from that find though as far as I am aware. John did tell me how many JD's there was and how they were divided, it was less than 25 if memory serves me correct.

There wasn't boxes of Jackie Day, there wasn't even one 25 count box if memory serves me right. You shouldn't believe all the rumours.