Chalky

I told Sidney the group names for the Four Arts and he still said he doesn't know them. Larry Roberts was part owner and along with other partners they wanted help putting together a record label, they asked him (Sidney) for help and that they would pay him so he gave them the help they needed. Richard Tee was a piano player who worked at Jobete, he later worked as musical arranger for Paul Simon and Aretha Franklin. SIdney does say he didn't think Little Nicky did any more recording so that casts doubt on a second 45??? I will ask him your other questions Robb

going to move to the Box section, might get more exposure there.

Trev I've re approved your post, removed the insult and edited the swearing. Can I ask you refrain from abusing or insulting fellow members and to edit your swearing because of firewall problems with users at work. The whole topic has by and large been pretty civil and a decent discussion, lets try and keep it that way.

We can only assume judging by what Sidney Barnes says that he was there for just a short time, probably involved in the setting up and the co-writing of one of the 45's. I would have thought both discs and maybe the unknown third one were record at pretty much the same time? Having come up with the label name, logo and helped in setting the label up Sidney would have been about for the first recording, The Four Arts I presume? Maybe he was working at Motown and came back for the Little Nicky Soul track? I will ask him a couple of more questions including one about the unknown third release.

Nope had a liking for it since I first heard it. Even included it on one of the Lifeline podcasts... https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/blog/

I've been talking to Sidney (Barnes). He helped Shee Records get started, came up with the name and even drew the logo. He didn't know the Four Arts as he had left by the time they arrived. However Little Nicky Soul was in his words a young guy and a dear friend of his from Newark, NJ. His real name was Nichalous Faircorth and Sidney gave him his name of Little Nicky Soul. The credits were as guessed an alias because as you said Robb he was under contract to Motown. Sid did say he has been a BMI writer since 1963.

There is a difference between contemporary soul music which I have nothing against although I think that is for the modern soul scene and not the northern scene, and successful commercial pop music which is what CLG is IMO. I don't think anyone getting upset either, simply having a debate. Whether people like the idea or not, the northern scene does have unwritten rules and boundaries as to what is played. Granted some new stuff does slip through, Angie Stone for instance although that sampled a track from the 70's and DJ Genesis (did it achieve anything in the charts?) but records like this were quickly forgotten.

Win, it's the commercial stuff I have a problem with. I'm into independent, underplayed, forgotten or whatever tag you wanna give it. If I wanted to listen to commercial chart records I'd go to a night club. The Northern, rare, crossover scene is by and large about records that failed, rare and obscue so why shoul we change what the scene is about simply to attract some newcomers. They either like it for what it is or go to a night club and hear the commercial stuff.

But there are boundaries on the Northern Soul Scene whether we like to admit it or not and they are more often than not 60's or for more progressive 60's 70's maybe some 80's, after that it is the Modern Scene that takes up the mantle. There are 1000's of records that have had little exposure on the Northern Scene Win and I reckon I'll be in a box before the Northern Soul Scene got through that lot. The record fair there was box after box of obscure rare records that many had never seen nor heard and have never been played on the scene to keep the NS scene progressing. There is no need for this scene to resort to insipid chart acts. I for one wish to have no part of it if it does.

It might have been played on the NS scene but IMO it has little to do with the NS scene, simply a DJ with little or no imagination and no inclination to search the many 100's even 1000's of lesser known forgotten underplayed 60's and 70's soul records. Like I said I wouldn't want to hear CLG at any venue Iw as to attend. I'd like to know any promoter who is promoting the playing of records like this on the NS scene so I can avoid the promotion. I'll stick to and choose a venue that plays NS, be them oldies, rare, underplayed or forgotten, 60's or 70's.

I'd go to a night club if I wanted to hear chart records. There is plenty of independent and obscure soul from the 60's and 70's to keep the Northern Scene happy. I don't want to hear retro sounding acts either, plenty of the real stuff out there. As I said earlier, Modern Scene a different matter but if they are reduced to chart records then the Modern Scene is in the sh*t.

Ce Lo Green has nothing to do with Northern Soul at the end of the day. I agree tracks like the Black Aces Of Soul have little to do with Northern Soul in the traditional sense but the 100 Club is a traditional all-nighter, it has a reputation as a progressive all-nighter and one for keeping up with the trends of the day. Butch and others have played tracks on the funk side for years with little complaint. It's all a question of balance. Much of the Funky stiff isn't what I want to listen to but full marks to Joel for trying it and I'm sure he has the brains to realise a 45 doesn't work then to try something else. As for Ce Lo Green, I wouldn't want to hear it at any Northern Soul venue, he might have a soulful voice but by and large his records are pop, plain and simple. Why some feel the need to resort to chart hits is beyond me when there is so much quality rare/independent soul ignored and forgotten.

I haven't missed anything Pete. You have played your part in the so called petty arguments of late, I can see what you are doing and it is plainly obvious that comments on this topic have spilled over from a previous topic. Your "off topic" assessments of what is happening don't help either. If you or anyone else has a problem with a post or with the way someone else is behaving towards someone else then use the report button, which you are not averse to using and let the mod team deal with it. Now everyone should leave the personal posts off the topic, cut the off topic, not just on this topic but all topics and stick to the topic in question.

what provocation? All people have done is express an opinion, from both sides.

Sound very good played out as well, excellent dancer and as you say right for today's more progressive scene.

I cannot for one minute believe some are saying they would prefer CLG to the Black Aces Of Spade at a NS all-nighter/soul night. If CLG was played I would probably walk out or stone the DJ no place for it on the Northern Scene IMO, Modern Scene a different matter but then again IMO if that is what the Modern Scene is reduced to it must be struggling for some quality independent soul music. The Black Aces Of Soul might not be to everyone's taste but it simply supplying dancers with a type of sound thats currently en vogue/in demand. I would have thought out of all the venues the 100 Club would be a bit more receptive to something different and the current indemand sound? Always used to be.

please edit your original post and can you read the pinned topics at the top of the sales forum.

from the great site for Motown reference "Don't Forget The Motor City Baby Hit And Run (James Dean-William Weatherspoon) publ. Jobete The Contours; recorded Hitsville, completed 11-Nov-65 ; produced by William Stevenson ; [lead - Billy Gordon] 03/06/2002; CD (M): Motown 544 619 2 A Cellarful Of Motown [uK] The Contours; recorded Hitsville-GW, completed 31-Jan-67 ; produced by William Stevenson ; [lead - Dennis Edwards] [unreleased]; LP: Gordy G921 The Contours Sing It's So Hard Being A Loser Feb-74; 45 (M): Tamla Motown TMG886 A [uK] May-74; LP (E): MFP 50054 Baby Hit And Run [uK] 23-Mar-98; CD (M): Debutante 530 814 2 This Is Northern Soul! Volume 2 [uK] 28-Feb-00; CD (M): Spectrum 544 259 2 The Essential Collection [uK] 28-Jun-01; CD (E): Spectrum 556 827 2 Northern Soul Connoisseurs [uK] 02/05/2005; CD (M): Motown 067 024 2 This Is Northern Soul! The Motown Sound Volume 1 [uK]

it was coloured paper, can't remember if the colour kept changing. Very good for rare cd's and hard to find music.

forget that, found 'em... https://www.finbarrmusicdirect.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63&Itemid=79

Is Finnbar still running? I used to get there catalogues and there used to be some good bargains in it.

If you've PM'ed the prospective seller with an offer then you can see if he/she has read your PM. If been read and not replied then up to you what you do I suppose. Although I sometimes read PM's on my phone and can't reply at the time and then forget for a day or two

Please just edit your original post do not reply with this on hold or sold. Can you read the pinned topics at the top of the forum please. Thankyou Chalky

More sad news. R.I.P. Jerry. You can still buy the Ace CD of some of Jerry's work..... Time Is on My Side: the Jerry Ragovoy Story 1953-2003