Chalky

you might have heard Andy Dyson spin it?

something slower it could be Jackie Beavers - I Can't Stop Loving You, Groovesville acetate played by Andy Dyson, although not high pitched male vocal

Although it's not a ballad, more mid tempo, from the title alone you mention not the Conquistadors - I can't stop loving you.?

It could well be the reason stated but if I remember rightly I got the track off a tape sold by John Manship, as I'm sure many others bought it at the time....if the track had been given to me in trust it wouldn't have been posted but it wasn't.

Think there are two other unissued from around the same time and all three are available on the Uplook Story from Grapevine. I can remember Andy Dyson getting the You Got Love from US to play out about ten years ago along with some unissued (at the time) Ronnie Walker tracks.

there is just one in each group left from the original line up as far as I'm aware. Theo Peoples, (or is it Ronnie McNair on lead), is no Levi Stubbs and without Levi singing it isn't the Four Tops is it

Hi Rich, I've got the same tape or one similar. The Soul Brothers Six is The Idols - Check Her Out - USA. IDOLS - CHECK HER OUT - USA -

I think it's a slightly different take. There are about four takes if I remember rightly, Dave Thorley has other takes on acetate. Fabulous record. Another good version by Ray Gant and the Arabians which you can pick up for £10/£15.

Probably a good night out but surely unless they are singing new material the Four Tops is just a tribute act now? Personally having seen the original line up a few times anything else would be a disappointment.....same with the Tempts singing all the old stuff.

the only difference is the intro as far as I'm aware, other than that and the group name they are the same.

Cheers Phil, I'll let you know and thanks Simon for the Naturals.

Naturals - Don't Just Stand There - Path 7 Sons - Don't You Dare Say No(?) Many thanks Chalky

now it's getting a bit of attention wonder how many more will surface.....

seeing as Davetay said he is ten years older I can only assume the dates were wrong and have since been amended

You'd have to go to a nighter to hear it, Lifeline where it was first played by Nick Stevenson nearly 6 years ago who had the first "known" copy over here. Andy Killick the only other I know of to play it. Guess someone else gonna be palying it very soon. I took the first copy to another Lifeline nighter about three years ago to see if anyone interested in it, Sam certainly was, he badly wanted it but couldn't afford it at the time...or wasn't prepared to meet the asking price. Pretty sure I know where the popsike copy is.

looking at the one on ebay it's half light blue and half white taken at an angle with camera not the best way to get a decent photo of a record/label. Always worth posting Pete, and if interested in buying and still not sure after refviewing all the info available better to avoid it and avoid possible disappointment. Know lots of dealers/collectors don't even bother with ebay these days.

It is clearly documented that Motown sales were aimed at a white pop market and not the black R&B market, that is where the big sales were and still are. And just where did I say white people can't appreciate soul? Nowhere and I didn't infer it either.

but they weren't always phone boxes were they, often small studios trying to make extra money.

you only have to sit and listen to some of the unissued stuff that is now out there, the Motown, the RCA stuff, some of it with full orchestra and whatever supporting the artist. The studio time alone must have cost a few bob let alone the production costs, and what for, to get rejected and shelved, stored in a dusty vault to be found many years later.

did anyone make a list of these post Stafford Classics (Russ)?

nowt to be sorry about pal, should have made it clearer in original post which one. There could be at least two copies of the Swans, certainly know of and have seen one.

it all depends on the pressing plant/studio. Some will press single figure copies, some it may be minimum of 50, 100, 300, 500...whatever. There were stores in the US you could walk into and record a record for a few dollars and come away with a copy of the recording. So for records which are rare we always use the term "known" as that is the figure known about. There are collectors all over the world that have no association with the Northern Soul scene so who knows what is out there in the big wide world.

Which Little Johnny Hamilton are you talking about? I'm talking about Keep On Moving. Would be surprised if there's more than a couple in the country let alone York. As for Swans yes it was released and I've seen it.

100 is rare in the grand scheme of things. Look at Gene Toones Harry mentioned, it's on ebay once a month yet still considered a rarity. There's plenty more like it. We once did the Rarest Of the Rare topic on Rare Soul Forum and it had to be less than 5 known copies to get in, or some similar figure. Mello Souls Contessa...both June Jackson - Musette Timmy Carr - Workin' Little Johnny Hamilton - Dore Swans - Dore Kell Osborne - Highland

Copies of many of what was considered the rarest of the rare have turned up in recent years. They are still very rare mind. There are still records out there that are known for just the single, two or three known copies.