soulfulsaint

Always love a good stomper but not sure I would want it to be dominated by the stomps. There is an alternative reading of the pace issue. The Wheel played R&B, mid-tempo and even smoochers. Last hour of Mecca was slower and even the big closers at Wigan like Jimmy Radcliffe were paced slower than stomper. So not sure that its all down to an 'ageing' scene. Maybe the scene as always been 'mixed tempo'. That said, the power and resonance of the great era of stompers from 1972 onwards have shaped people's perception of the scene. Prefer soul to pace myself.

Its not matured much with age, but there is another context with Marc Copage. He was one of several very young singers being promoted in the wake of the Jackson Five. Others mentioned on the site would be Reggie Garner, Cubie Burke of the Stairsteps and Kathy Sledge of Sister Sledge - all primary school kids with dance appeal and played at Wigan. Didn't Marc also appear as a child actor in Doctor Kildare?

i bought the james coit promo - a bargain. great for framing.

I'm looking forward to Hitsville Dave - need to escape into soul. Best of luck for the weekender

I've always belived there was a guy at British Rail who was a closet soul boy. A train left Perth in central Scotland that arrived at Wigan at 12.30 - ideal. When I moved to the North of England my favoured route was to go to the Mecca and get the free bus 'back' to Wigan It was always full of jaked-up hen parties but it got you to Wigan for the queues flooding in.

Here's the cover - not much to go on alas:

Anything by Little Willie John

Kofi Annan here. I've tried to think of sounds that in theory should unite the various factions of the rare soul scene. Three rules - the sound should have strong R&B vocals, must be an oldie that has regularaly been played at a major club, and must have 'modern' stylistic elements to it. I'm going for: James Fountain 'Seven Day Lover' (Peachtree) and its rare. Any other peace-makers out there?

plus Andy D, and a quick spin for Diane Jenkins - sounds great any playlists please?

Must say I don't mind the mods intervening and cracking the rod of discipline. Nothing worse than a good thread being hi-jacked or taken off course. It is also very clear what people should expect - good soul info, sales and wants, and media sharing. I never use of Freebasing much because I am on here for soul, rather than conspiracy theories, sheffield united or the sexual predilections of ageing sixties soul boys. (nb a predilection is what you get when your aroused, a mint Detroit rarity always arouses me.)

First nighter was The Torch in its latter days. Arrived down from Scotland - scared rigid but it was life-changing. Wigan from the start too. Always felt on edge going into the bogs to the left of the stage. Now all nighters don't seem as threatening.

What exactly are you listening to now? I'm listening to 'Gold of My Life' by Mixed Emotions on Rockway. Its nearly 01.00 hours and I like it.

why are old lists never as expensive as the records? I have a few lists that I'm convinced are rare one-offs.

I'm convinced that the R&B drive is the next big take on the scene. First time ever that the scene has been forced back to early/mid 60s etc. Needs a 'big' venue club somewhere that defines the scene. It need its Stafford, (Sixties Newies) its 100 Club (6Ts) and maybe it needs a 'modern' room that's allowed to play oldies if you get a my drift.

If there's not there should be Davie. Back in Stafford days it was about a team of real believers - like you now, They wanted the scene to thrive and have attitude. Back to Basics is a great principle - the sixties newies didn't have a slogan back then but you do. Perth City Soul Club 1971.

In the high Mecca era in mid '70s I made the mistake of believing that the greatest Sixties Soul records had already been 'discovered' and played and the obvious logic was pursuing new rare soul. How wrong was that? Over the next twenty years I heard great sixties that I'd never heard before, yet still loved and yearned for modern soul. Everyone on this site, without exception, has made mistakes. Maybe it was discounting modern records that are actually brilliant soul records. Or under-pricing very rare records you can't get your hands on now. Or under-valuing Motown and then hearing a killer sound. Maybe it was disssing a DJ who then played a blinding set. Or initially hating a venue that went on to become part of your life. Maybe it was thinking that the UK is king and when you went abroad you fell in love with a new scene. God, I even moved south to London in the 80s and discovered the 100 Club. Admitting that London could deliver a rare soul club was hard but, I had to admit it. What were you wrong about?

Here's another perspective. Not sure any of the sixities newie mafia Djs could have connected without the influence of the big collector/dealers of the era. Tim Ashibende, Rod Shard, Dave Withers etc were a big driving force trying to maintain and develop the sixties soul force, whilst two-bit trendy gay-boy jessies like me were flirting with those evasively rare super-cool 70s sounds, later known as 'modern' northern. So the mafia was an 'attitude' as much as it was a group of named DJs. It was a reaction to how insitutionalised Wigan had become. That's why I think the scene needs to be tolerant and embrace the current R&B 'mafia' who are doing a very simlar thing now - they are forcing the scene 'back to basics'. Its a movement with many comparisons, in that it want to take rare soul to its roots with a touch of extremity and attitude. Great. Both 'movements' want/wanted to discover music that's new and underplayed in a rare '60s soul context. Both were kicking against the 'established' scene - a scene without dispute is dead.

The Arab-American population in Detroit has been there for at least four generations now. Probably their greatest contribution to the soul scene is Abdul 'Duke' Fakir of the Four Tops.

...Just No 19 to go and the Searling code is cracked. What was 'I Can Make You Love Me' - Prince George (Era)? Nothing do do with Prince George's 'Wrong Crowd' (DPG) nor Othello Roberston's 'So In Luv' (Era) Who is going to tap in the last goal - and claim the glory? Is there a glory hunter in the house?

First time I heard the term was Guy Hennigan. Not sure if he coined it, or it was Keb but the level of resentment they had towards the oldies scene, especially Wigan having oldies all-nighter was intense. I'm off now Saints playing Keb's team Elgin in Scottish CIS Cup.

Any advance on those above - for example: 7. I'm Not Worried - Cody Black (D-Town) 19. I Can Make You Love Me - Prince George (Era) Dont be shy with prices either - the code is almost cracked.

Keep them coming still some way to go yet.

lew stanley po box 877 hillsborough north carolina nc usa 27278. get on with packing up my records rather than sending out your want's list -

The cover-up thread has convinced me that the rare soul scene has a language just as complicated as the engima codes of the Second World War. Can you help crack them? On 5th Spetmber 1981, in an edition of 'Echoes', Richard Searling listed his Top Twenty Crockets' Sounds. Some are covers, some obscurities, some classics and one or two may even be wind-ups - you decide. Some are still big sounds others have drifted with time. This is what Richard listed back in 1981. 1. Your Love is Slippin Away - Maurice McCallister (Chess) 2. Over and Over Again - Dee Dee Gartrell (Cyclone) 3. That's The Way Its Gonna Be - James Lewis (Legend) 4. Your Love Keeps Me Dancing - Lee Moore (Source) 5. Like I Never Did Before - The Chessmen (Checker) 6. I Got It From Heaven - Bobby Hutton (ABC) 7. I'm Not Worried - Cody Black (D-Town) 8. How Can I Tell Her - Leon Bryant (Delite) 9. Memories No Time - Spyder Turner (MGM) 10. Learning How To Dance - Roddie Joy (Red Bird) 11. That's The KInda Man I Am- Bobby Adams (Big Bee) 12 All of My Life Spent Waiting For You - Lamarr Thomas (Epic) 13. Get Ready for Love - Inner Space (Fizz) 14. Gonna GIve You My LOve - Garry Glenn (PPL) 15. I'll Never Say Goodbye - Eddie Daye (Shrine) 16. No Second Chance - Phantom Janitor (Stax) 17. When He's Not Around - Rose Valentine (RCA) 18 I'm Comin Over - Johnny Honeycutt (Triode) 19. I Can Make You Love Me - Prince George (Era) 20. The Love Who Loves You Not - Herbie Williams (GWP) Your assignment, should you chose to accept it, is to uncover the cover-ups, price the sounds on mint original at today's prices, identify album tracks, and 'expose' any wind-ups. By all means comment on the quality of the set. But information always trumps opinion. Remember, even if you can only crack one part of the code, it may help the soul nation. (No shortcuts please - full titles, artists and labels.)

Thanks guys that's another obsession you've just talked me into.