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That's fantastic, can you ask James about this Carstairs thing with Cleveland and to confirm if he know that they were the same group or different as talked about above......please Dave

Here is some info I found relating to Cleveland and mentions groups and of course his relationship with "The Fantastic Four" https://badcatrecords.com/BadCat/FANTASTICfour.htm

So was Cleveland Horne lead on "Crime Doesn't Pay" as discussed above

These are related to Cleveland and I have added the Okeh Carstairs for comments on the query as to "same" group and were this "Prophets" anything to do with the "Georgia Prophets" ?

According to Ian Levine's video here they were the same group, and I always thought they weren't, my head is now getting mashed, but at my age that is no surprise These are Ian's comments This song by The Carstairs is a cover of the Motown song originally by Jimmy Ruffin, but this was initially unreleased, and then released by Edwin Starr. It was a massive Northern Soul monster, but nowhere near in the same league as their iconic classic, "It Really Hurts Me Girl", which was the biggest record EVER at Blackpool Mecca. Back in the day, when there was no internet, we could never locate the group, despite many attempts. In 1998, for the unique one-off Blackpool Mecca reunion, I was just determined to find them, and after four months of searching, I did. Twenty five years after they thought their single had never even been released, they were on stage at Blackpool Mecca, singing it on the Saturday night in front of over a thousand people, in the Highland Room which was only supposed to hold seven hundred. They were moved to tears, especially Cleveland Horne, and founder member Ervin Langley. Tragically, within two years, the two of them had passed away. But at least they got to stand just once in the limelight. It could never ever happen again, it was a one time moment in history and because of the iconic nature of their record, this footage is priceless beyond belief. They performed three songs, "It Really Hurts Me Girl", a version of The Salvadors "Stick Byy Me Baby", and this one, "He Who Picks A Rose".

I know this thread is "old" but would the Paul be Paul Scott who was also in the Fantastic Four

Not so and not on Doni's version either, most interesting

It was mentioned here and is on this CD https://www.amazon.co.uk/Masters-Soul-George-Singles-Rarities/dp/B00JM13COO

I know this thread is old but thought would share these 2 Odell releases (only ones on this label me thinks). He started and lived in Pittsburgh, having owned a record store, before moving to Detroit.

Thanks for all the help. Can I just throw this in as a spanner in the works Just wondering.....if ?

Thanks so much, great work

Nice to talk about the prices, can we have some info on the group please ?

Firstly let me apologise if this has been covered before but are these the same lady please..... do we know her details and history ?

Pretty sure that Irral release was September 1963 and Dot was 1964

I think it's just worth mentioning as well that your article (brilliant as it is) was so well received by me and I want to personally thank you for sharing it, as opposed to some people, who get the info on stuff and then choose NOT to share it unless it's in a book. I may get criticised for saying this, but you sir are a credit to this site and those bands that you study and share with us, a "breath of fresh air" mate

Brilliant can we find out who the other lovely ladies were/are please

I agree totally it sold for £60 in 2013, this happens though for some strange reason

Interested to see if anyone knows please ?

The type face on most of these releases is very similar

I found this which amazingly leads straight back to Lashawn Collins which I have been wondering about for ages and Numero Group had seemingly "No knowledge"

Thanks Steve does it have the members of Pillow Of Strength and go into detail about Pamela Cole and the Mod Singers

I firstly want to apologise if this has been covered before This group (seemingly from Chicago) released a couple on Savern (I wonder if like Sagport, this was one by Zono Sago (real name Alan Williams) They were backed by The Joneses (I don't know if they are connected to the Joneses we all know) Info would be great please

Can we add the links or will they be removed "for Legal reasons"

I'd steer clear of expensive record shops nowadays and head for the second hand markets to dig https://www.thislifeintrips.com/3-flea-markets-in-amsterdam-not-to-miss/

Firstly, apologies if this has been covered before and please direct me to any previous threads I would like to know anything about the 2 (or more) singles (which appear to be Philly related) and artist and writers please as I cannot find much on the Web It appears that labels were reversed (I don't know if on all or some)