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Was the other the larger font Cat number?, I will dig it out later and post image

Firstly, if Calvin has been discussed previously, I apologise to the forum I found this discussion with little results but interesting stuff and wondered if it is possible to get to the bottom of who he was please https://soulfuldetroit.com/archives/6593/7589.html?1093349267

I have just found the "link" as well (click on E and find the band and U for the Ultimates) https://buckeyebeat.com/comboframe.html

You didn't ask Sean about his source for the photo is he exempt

From Discogs didn't know that was a 3rd party ?

Thanks for that Sean Do we know how the 2 men sadly died and which ones in the photo are which please

I am with that and the releases seem to b a year apart too 1966/7

Both labels are Chicago so could be same band if someone The Flippers version No band in the Central United States drew larger crowds, caused more excitement or had more influence on thousands of aspiring rock musicians than “The Flippers”. Based out of Lawrence, Kansas – The Flippers took the Midwest by storm throughout the 60’s – drawing sold out crowds from Texas to North Dakota and from Colorado to Illinois. Advertising their shows on KOMA Radio from Oklahoma City, OK they drew teens driving hundreds of miles to a “Flipper Dance”. In the early 60’s through the efforts of John Brown (Mid-Continent Entertainment), Terry & The Flippers – a very good rock band from north central Kansas was turned into a professional, innovative and trend-setting Rhythm & Blues Show – rivaled by no other band. Luring Danny Hein from Oklahoma (who had gone to Tulsa Central High School with legendary rockers like David Gates (“Bread”) and Leon Russell - and great vocalist-instrumentalist Denny Loewen – Brown transformed “The Flippers” into “The Fabulous Flippers” - an 8-piece Rhythm & Blues Show Band – that patterned themselves after great southern RB Reviews like “James Brown & His Famous Flames” & “The Bobby Bland Review. Blued-Eyed soul was introduced white Mid-America and literally all of the bands, after seeing a Flipper show – transformed their bands from traditional rock groups (guitar-bass-drums) into 8-10 piece RB show bands after witnessing a “Flipper show”. The finest musicians in the Midwest were hired to compliment Terry Wierman’s original band. In addition to the hiring of soul vocalists Denny Loewen and Danny Hein – excellent musicians like Dennes Frederick (Bass), Gary Claxton (Trumpet-Sax), Jerry Tammen (drums), Roger Lewis and Doug Crotty (Horns) were hired. During the late 60’s a number of other great musicians moved through the Flippers. Many members of the band were multi-instrumentalists – and their stage show included moving from instrument to instrument, trading lead vocals, excellent back up vocals by the horn-section, and “steps” that would have found them a spot in an “Ike Turner Review”.. Their stage show was legendary – sometimes even making the stage looking like it was moving. They were cool in their matching suits and Tammen’s drum solo’s with black-lit drumsticks tore up the crowd. They recorded a number of records on Fona and Quill Records – but their national release on Cameo-Parkway Records (“The Harlem Shuffle”) was their showpiece. They recorded a great album in 1970 on Veritas Records (“Something Tangible”) which featured excerpts from their “West Side Story Medley” which amazed those watching these “Flipper shows”. A number of musicians traveled through the Flippers including Norfolk, Nebraska’s Max “Carl” Gronenthal – who has been inducted into the Nebraska Music Hall of Fame with his 60’s band “The New Breed”. Max later went on to star with California’s “Jack Mack & The Heart Attack”, and sang and composed 38-Specials only #1 Hit – “Second Chance”. Max recently charted on Glen Frey’s label with “Max Carl & Big Dance” – keeping alive the soul music from the 60’s that were directly influenced by The Fabulous Flippers. The Flippers appeared on stage with numerous stars of the day, including “The Rolling Stones” and appeared in several movies, filmed in New York. They reunited in the early 90’s and have been touring on a limited basis thrilling their fans that crave another “Flipper Dance”. The Flippers were inducted into the Iowa Music Hall of Fame in 1998 and Nebraska is honored to induct them into their Music Hall of Fame in 1999 in Lincoln, NE on August 21.

I just found this post as I am relatively new to this site I Found this about the group and their connection to the Ultimates The Ultimates were formed as a result of the untimely deaths of Ray Railey and Alvin Freeman from the CVS outfit, The Enchanted Five whose remaining members were Donnie Scales, Earl Railey (brother to Ray) and Jimmy Radford. The CVS label emanates from Clarke, Venieriee & Smith. Arthur Venieriee was one of the original managers for The Ohio Players and Joseph Peppy Smith was a buyer and marketing rep at J & R Music World. The passing of those 2 band members led the survivors of the Columbus, Ohio outfit to bring in new blood in the form of Nate (Nathanial) Hayden and another member whose name has long been forgotten to form the Ultimates. Bruce Clark recorded the Ultimates in New York. They stayed in town for three or four days, completing a session of tracks, which appeared on their later album ”You’re my lady” and when that was over, they left again. Clarke didn’t have any control of the group or what they did work wise except for the recording on BR-Roma. The Ultimates reputedly completed one other recording after Clarke lost touch without knowing what name they did it under.

I was referring to the Suncut one in the You Tube video

And this

I Bet it's the same thing as me, old age and not enough room for all the info to be stored properly

Bottom of this link confirms he was

I forgot he was in the group well reminded, 1977 a year before he passed

Blimey with all these books I will have to sell my records to store them

I don't know whether it was a Mecca play but I did hear that some copies are pressed incorrectly, labels correct but wrong tune playing (nightmare), Butch plays it

Ooh it's my age again

I apologise if this has been covered before but I must have missed it Al Johnson produced and Monk Higgins Arranged Does anyone know who the band were please ?

How sad only 37 1978 explains a lot as to why there is nothing much about him on the Web. I think we can all agree that he was a lot more than an Organist

France and Jamaica

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No, sorry, that was Carl Carlton

I apologise if this has already been covered, but I can find little about Karl, who seems to have been prolific having been a writer and producer for many acts The Kavettes, Mel And Tim, Bull & The Matadors, Jackie Wilson, Jo Ann Garrett, Chicago Allstars, The Voice Masters, Gene Chandler etc. He had a clear connection to Andrew Williams (Already have his story) and Carl Davis, but there appears to be little info on the Web. He did one single himself (that I know of) I guess there are Chicago experts on here who may know a little or a lot, but I think we need his story, if you can help please

This is good https://www.sandiegoreader.com/bands/big-daddy-rucker-blues/